ELL double win at civil engineering awards

Last ELL thing for a while, we promise, but we couldn't resist reporting that on Friday it won a couple of civil engineering awards for "Greatest Contribution to London" and "The Community Award." Building reports:

Half a million people use it every day with numbers expected to rise further. In January it was the UK’s third most reliable train service, which is excellent for a line that has been open less than a year. The line will not only immediately benefit the community but as it cuts a swath through some of the most deprived areas of the capital will bring enormous regeneration benefits in the long term too. The design and construction was equally impressive. Despite the tight, three and a half year timetable the £1bn project was delivered two months early. The line makes clever use of existing infrastructure that kept costs down and simplified planning.


Lou Baker said...

Joy. I will toast the hulking orange beast's success.

Brockley Nick said...

Now you've accepted defeat, you can move on with your life. The air will taste sweeter, colours will be more vivid.

This is the best thing that ever happened to you.

Lou Baker said...

The air is sweet, the colours are vivid. The cherry blossoms are blooming. Life is good.

But I will NEVER accept defeat on this issue.

They may take away our London Bridge trains but they'll never take our FREEDOM!

Anonymous said...

This site gets more coverage of ELL than there own.

Tamsin said...

The FREEDOM to catch a direct train from Charing Cross at the end of the evening and at weekends and READY ACCESS to Cranberries at London Bridge and their supply of macadamia nuts!

But life is good - jasmine blossom through the apple tree and an amazing variety of birds in the garden.

Matt-Z said...

Well done ELL and all who sail on her.

I've been at the Excel centre most of this week and so using the ELL/Jubilee/DLR combo. A few thoughts:

1) ELL morning services are packed these days. How long before an upgrade to five-cars?

2) The bottleneck changing from the Northbound ELL to Jubilee Line is severe. There was a serious lack of foresight in building the station with only 4-car capacity and a poor interchange.

3) Completion of the Jubilee Line upgrade can't happen soon enough, on Wednesday I was travelling in the 8-9 morning peak and had to let three trains go by before I could get on at Canada Water.

4) How did the people of east London cope before the DLR and Jubilee Line arrived?

5) When will the Beckton branch of the DLR get a 3-car service? It was overcrowded on more than half my trips.

Paddyom said...

Didnt Leona Lewis win this? Damn it, another wasted vote.

Danja said...

There was a serious lack of foresight in building the station with only 4-car capacity and a poor interchange.

That was a long time ago. It only got tarted up.

Lou Baker said...


It is an absolute joke that the ELL wasn't built to deal with longer trains - but it's all about Wapping and Rotherhithe, which can't be extended.

What I don't understand is why they can't just not open some of the doors at shorter stations. That happens in plenty of places already - but you add the health and safety twits into the mix and they make it impossible.

As for Canada Water - they seriously need extra escalator capacity.

Matt-Z said...

Canada Water was a brand new station in 1999. When it opened the Jubilee Line ran six-car trains, which have since been upgraded to seven-car, and the platforms were built to accomodate the future expansion. The East London Line plans have long been in pipeline, so why was there no future-proofing?

Matt-Z said...

My previous post was in response to Danja.

@Lou I know and understand about the Wapping/Rotherhithe problem, but don't know why SDO isn't allowed.

Anonymous said...

Don't see why the short platforms should be a problem. I've had to walk down a carriage many times on regular tube trains because the end carriage doors don't open. On the ELL this is even easier because of their open access design.

Brockley Nick said...

Good point, however, I guess it depends how long a walk down the carriage would be involved - if it's a whole carriage length then that would be next to impossible at morning peak time.

Tamsin said...

Yes, so you know which carriages wont have their doors opening and do the walk on the platform of the station you start off from. Devastatingly simple but not done.

Maybe the wish to blame the conservationists who, I seem to recall, prevented the total demolistion and rebuilding of the stations in question is part of it. And short-sighted cost containment. The usual short-termism - "I don't want to damage my career by advocating an even bigger over-spend. By the time the problems arise I will have moved on anyway." The same attitude that makes cutting down trees the first option for any insurance clerk faced with a claim for subsidence.

Headhunter said...

They may take our trains but they will never take our FREEDOM!

Anonymous said...

Oh dear Headhunter, you're several hours too late. You really must start reading previous comments before you post.

Anonymous said...

Trees are bad, they need to go.

Canada water will be immensely busier when phase 2 opens. yippie yah

Tamsin said...

@ Matt-Z - point 4) how did people cope before the Jubilee line and DLR?
-Fewer people for starters
-More of them doing more jobs locally
-The East London Line
-Cramming like sardines into the more frequent train service

Anonymous said...

Selective door opening happens at Gipsy Hill on the Victoria to Lon Bridge service so there's no real reason why it couldn't happen on the ELL

Tamsin said...

But isn't it too late? I thought with the limited space on Wapping and Rotherhithe the planners copped out and did not bother to make other stations with long enough platforms for future longer trains.

Mb said...

"planners copping out" is a bit harsh. Money, tax payers moolah, is what it boils down too. Making existing stations bigger costs and of course it's nit just platforms. If you handle more passengers you need additional infrastructure to shift them, escalators, lifts, a larger gateline? I read somewhere that one of the platforms cannot be extended because it would clash with another line?

You could look at the door thing, you would need to traffic model it to ensure you can alight and board in time but not cock the timetable up. There are issues at farringdon with the ongoing Thamelink work causing a number of met line trains to be cancelled because farringdon cannot shift them. Random fact, we moved the fleet sewer to allow building of the new Thamelink/crossrail ticket hall. Anything is possible given the money.

Could be doable though

currentbuns said...

I avoid the bottleneck at Canada Water by walking up to the ticket office floor, then down the two sets of escalators which lead to the rear of the Jubilee platforms. Sometimes I'm on those platforms while others are waiting to get down the ONE escalator.

patrick1971 said...

"Planners copping out" is a bit harsh. The original plans meant that Wapping would have to close, as there was no way of rebuilding it to account for longer platforms. Rotherhithe was going to be extended, IIRC, and there would be one long platform at Canada Water (you can see the Rotherhithe platforms from the end of the southbound Canada Water platform). Thus longer trains would have run the length of the line.

However, step forward one Mr Ken Livingstone, who ruled that Wapping would not close. Hence the line was built to only have four carriage trains.

THNick said...

As current buns says, if you go up to ticket hall at Canada Water you avoid the queues. And it's still a quick interchange.

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