Brockley and Honor Oak in Homes & Property


The Evening Standard's Homes & Property section shines its spotlight on Brockley and Honor Oak today, saying:

Brockley had previously been little known to most Londoners, though loved by its inhabitants who have earned a reputation for shaking things up with action groups, festivals and lively blogs. Recently they saved a library from closures by bringing in a social enterprise to run it and by engaging volunteers to help out — an example of what David Cameron would call the Big Society in action.

It's probably the most accurate write-up the area's had in the UK property pages since the ELL started to ramp up the hype, the place described is pretty familiar.

It gets the relationship with Goldsmiths right, as well as the issues with schools and it paints a rosy, but pretty accurate picture of the area's independent businesses and green spaces, name-checking many of the best.

What do you think?

74 comments:

Anonymous said...

“I always feel this area is becoming the next East Dulwich,” NOOOOO!! ;)

Brockley Nick said...

To be fair, that's the estate agent talking... :)

Lou Baker said...

We could do with being far more like East Dulwich and less like the dump that is Lewisham.

mp said...

I read an article very similar something like a year ago when the eel started, ...I like property porn, but it's just porn, not just like da real thing!

Anonymous said...

For how much longer can something be "little known" or a "best kept secret" when there are constant articles on the place?

The fact that Brockley doesn't come up much in conversation is that its only amenities are delis and artisan shops. Not exactly what your average Londoner moves to the city for.

Brockley Ben said...

@anon15:01 I'll bite then. What does your average Londoner move to the city for? Which needs is Brockley failing to deliver with its legions of delis and artisan shops?

Anonymous said...

Where are all these delis and artisan shops? The reality is more like fried chicken and junk shops.

Brockley Dogging Society - Media Center said...

Readers may like to note that you can see Colin trotting across the photo there. He was late in meeting Graham as he was late leaving the Crown Court where a summing up he was giving dragged on. Graham was unfamiliar with dogging, he asked about bringing his Labrador. We said not to and would explain more on the day.
We sent him an information pack but have not heard back, we expect it was too late to get in this edition. We hope to rectify that when Boris and Seb visit as part of the Cultural Olympiad grant application where The Times is sending a photographer.

Nick, any chance of some Pro Bono PR advice? We’re thinking of starting a school visit programme but have had difficulty penetrating that sector.


By the way anon, your statement "Not exactly what your average Londoner moves to the city for" makes no sense. A shabby area with dull shops and poor transport is off putting. Transport is improved and improving and some more diversity (both in type and price) is arriving. That's what makes an area attractive....and dogging.

Hugh said...

Nice of them to mention the house I'm selling.

Anonymous said...

It's just all gone, hasn't it BDS, you've shot your last load

I [heart] Brockley said...

Estate agent b*llocks notwithstanding, that's the best article on Brockley I've seen.

Yes, Brockley has been "up and coming" for EVER, but (as evidenced on this blog) the place really has changed for the better in lots of small ways. If you're here all the time, you don't notice it as much, since most of the individual changes are unremarkable.

Doesn't the Broca look great in that photo? I had a fantastic piece of cake in there recently. "Home baked delights" indeed.

Ticker said...

BDS - you are a terrible writer. Sad, really, as you're obviously putting a lot of time and effort in.

pip said...

BDS has stepped clearly over the line into trolldom now - and has surely reached rock bottom(cue some lame puns) with the schools reference.

May I suggest no further feeding of the troll, at least on this thread? Apart from anything else, it's getting in the way of the property porn...

Brockley Dogging Society - HR Dept.. said...

To be fair Ticker it's difficult to type with one hand. I know your dissapointed that Colin gets all the press, perhaps if you took your turn on Kleenex duty like everyone else you would get a chance to shine.

Hugh said...

Anyone who uses words like 'troll' is a born follower. BDS, it appears you have a fan.

Who'd have thought? said...

So it turns out Hugh lives in a flat.

Tamsin said...

A very wide-angled lens - the Broca looked almost big enough to swing a kitten.

Good piece, though. Liked the way it spread over the three stations.

Tamsin said...

A very wide-angled lens - the Broca looked almost big enough to swing a kitten.

Good piece, though. Liked the way it spread over the three stations.

Mb said...

Don't think I've ever seen a negative article in the Home & Property pages of the standard. They happen to be correct this time of course.

I think Hugh is making the point that he's CONSIDERABLY richer than anyone else on here. Does he dog though, that's the question.

sigh... said...

Anyone who uses the word "troll" may find that it encourages other trolls to come out to play.

Healosh said...

On the up-and-coming theme, I was talking about this just the other day after having an amazingly good feed from Mo Pho on Sat night.

When I moved to the area in 2008 I couldn't have said that, neither could I have gone to (Sea Cow beating) Brockley's Rock, or sit in Broca (the extension at least) having a cracking (and huge)cappucino on Sat morning.

We then had a pretty good trip to The Orchard with friends on Sunday... all in all a great weekend where Brockley business took a sizeable chunk of the contents of my wallet.

That new Co-Op isn't badly stocked either.

innit said...

'We could do with being far more like East Dulwich and less like the dump that is Lewisham'

give me Lewisham over Peckham any day

mk said...

give me peckham over east dulwich any day.

Healosh said...

Peckham comes with Bellenden Road... what's your Lewisham equivalent?

mk said...

lewisham high street.

Healosh said...

I'll take Peckham. There's a bit just beyond Bellenden Road that I drove down once and I was amazed I was anywhere near Peckham.

Mb said...

We'll all part of the federation of Barronestan, bask in the reflected glory that is Brockley and rejoice.

Except Lou, who pines for the Kings Road.

TheOracle said...

THE BROCKLEY MILLION PLUS CLUB

11th Mar 2011
19a Wickham Road, London SE4 1PL£1,225,000

27th Oct 2010
53 Wickham Road, London SE4 1LT£1,475,000

18th Jun 2010
186 Lewisham Way, London SE4 1UU
£1,356,000

21st May 2010
56 Breakspears Road, London SE4 1UL
£1,200,000

19th Mar 2010
82 Tressillian Road, London SE4 1YD
£1,195,000

27th Jun 2008
43 Tressillian Road, London SE4 1YG
£1,050,000

Anonymous said...

Slap "organic" on em and they'll sell round here.

Lou Baker said...

@mb

I was on the King's Road the other day.

The streets are wonderfully clean. Hardly anyone smokes - and those who do are clearly outsiders.

People are well dressed, attractive, nicely turned out. They care about their area, they care about how they look - and it shows.

We still gets swathes of chavs who dump furniture on the street and who only wash once a month.

I know which is nicer.

Andy Endwell said...

Load of middle class aspirational twonkery "the Broca" who I have witnessed regularly pointlessly clogging up Coulgate St with a dark blue vehicle with its mirrors fixed to the vehicle with parcel tape and vehicles honking behind it unable to move! All you hear is constant winging about poor old white van man trying to earn a living. Dont get me wrong I like it here and have done for the last 16 yrs because for the most part its very much live and let live, thats much more important than CPZ's, yummy mummys and OMG theres a badly parked van in my street! Brockley is just what it is - it goes its own sweet way and I subscribe to that.

Monkeyboy said...

I don't understand this idea that Brockley is this or that. It's part of London, it's not fixed in aspic. It may stay the same, it may change. People will move in and out of varying income and wants. All you can do is watch it happen and chill. Doesn't matter if you were born here or moved in last week, it's now your home. Deal with it, London is diverse. Plenty of alternative things to do from the greasiest of spoons to the highest of high concept (well almost). I don't get all the huffing and puffing really.

Andy Endwell said...

Amen - well said.

Mb said...

I dnt think Lou likes me very much. This makes me sad. It's like Jeremy clarkson shunning Richard Hammond.

max said...

May I reccommend a fantastic graphic novel on the subject?
"The neighbourhood" by Will Eisner, on his own neighbourhood of Bronx in New York and how it changed across the ages from the Dutch settlers onwards. One of the best things I've ever read.

Wendy said...

"Lively blogs", do they mean us ;)

max said...

Small amend, Eisner's "the neigborhood" is also called "Dropsie Avenue".

Brockley Nick said...

I'm a bit contrarian about Eisner - everyone idolises him so much, I can't bring myself to read him. I'm sure I'm missing out.

naff off said...

Monkeyboard thanks for the preaching. Nothing adults appreciate more than being preached at by someone talking banalities.

Monkeyboy said...
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Monkeyboy said...

Pleasure, would you like me to patronise you now or later?

Ok, think you mean monkeyBORED?

gibby said...
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max said...

You are missing out on something for sure if you haven't read Dropsie Avenue/the neighbourhood (also published in the Contract with God trilogy). Trust me, it's a great novel by a master on a subject you are very much into.

(But I'm one of those that think a lor of Eisner of course.)

BC regular said...

Monkeyboy - or should that be Hamsterboy? (Monkeyhamster??) Don't let Lou or the tr*lls get you down; your contribution to this blog is noted and (generally) appreciated, and the one at 20.57 is my favourite post of the day.

cheesy grin said...

Yeah don't let those nasty trolls get you down. monkeyface yeah just chill!

eliza doolittle said...

The Kings Road is OK, but a bit dull. I lived in that part of London for a while, and never knew any of my neighbours. There were no local music festivals. I didn't know the local shop-owners or cafe-owners (though there was a fantastic sushi bar round the corner where I made myself at home on occasion - it would be a dream come true if such a thing ever came to Brockley). There were no open studios weekends. The pubs were full of braying Sloanes, and nobody seemed to have lived there for more than a year or two - nearly everyone was passing through. And when I thought about buying a flat, I could afford an area equal to less than 50% of the of beautiful conservation area property I finally settled on in Brockley.

I do not miss the Kings Road.

Anonymous said...

Brockley - The Mungs Road!

patrick1971 said...

It was a pretty accurate article; I was surprised, given some of the petty inaccuracies I've seen in that column about other areas.

The Cat Man said...

More brockley house porn :)

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/08/03/online-house-hunter-brockley-and-honor-oak/

Brockley Nick said...

Good spot Catman!

foxicus said...

@eliza doolittle

Snap. I used to live off the King's Road and whilst the area's full of (what would generally be called) 'nice' places, I couldn't call any of them friendly or welcoming. There are many parts of London that are attractive to visit but I wouldn't wish to live in them. I'll take Brockley over Chelsea any day!

patrick1971 said...

That Manwood Road house in Catman's link is just near me and we're all agog at the asking price of £439K. It does look like it's been done up very nicely inside, but last year £350K, maybe £375 if you were very lucky, was the absolute ceiling for the street. They have made the bathroom bigger, though, which is an issue in the houses in the street, so maybe that has helped push the price up.

Lou Baker said...

I don't want to live in Chelsea. If I wanted to live there I would.

I am just pointing out that our area is shabby - because the people who live here do not look after it.

I keep the front of my house clean and tidy. I occasionally sweep the pavement outside too. It is not grand, I do not wish it to be grand but it is looked after.

Way too many people just don't bother. They use their front garden as a rubbish dumb. Their house hasn't been painted since 1932. Their shop front is dirty, the pavement outside it weed ridden etc etc etc.

Brockley has lovely houses. It would have much lovelier ones if people showed them a bit of TLC. It's that kind of understanding of how it takes a whole community to create a great area that too many people here lack.

Anonymous said...

Sadly many here think being in a community is about buying £4 loaves of bred and olive oil in twee bottles.

The Cat Man said...

Maybe, but at least these people can spell :)

NAT said...

That's quite a bargain considering the trouble it must take to get the bread into the bottle with the oil.

mb said...

Annnnyyyy way.

I like Brockley, that's why I live here.

It could be better, but it's not spiraling into Mogadisho on a bad day.

Lou, Any chance you could pop round with your broom?

Mouse said...

@Patrick1971 - I also thought that about the asking price. We're looking at moving to the Manwood Road area and hoping not to pay anything like that. Could it have a loft conversion? Do any houses on the road have them?

Brockley Jon said...

That piece on the Independent's website is so blatantly written just to attract search engine traffic ("blah blah Brockley blah blah buying or renting...") that they might as well give a warning at the top saying "No actual journalism contained within". Or maybe I am just bitter because they didn't include a link to Brockley Central!

nuffsaid said...

the people on this sight need to get a life dat is there own an not be jealous of the life weve create at ubr were we do likes to stand and ave a drink and spliff wiff me bloods in this country wot is free its no crime to spend the time and I don’t give a **** for the people on this place cos them jealous an aint got no life an got to talk an aks about other s instead well me got big and much bettar things to do then talk to sad pathetic low life lonely person like u lot thatis tide to the puter all day no one believe what u want no carry on with ur opinions on your big properti all u like ok just get a life init dnt judge other people unless u look at urself first we no the truff and thats all that matters u dnt even no us do u get a kick out of other peoples life stories cuz u aint got none ur self no point ritin bak to this cuz ur not worth me fingers on me hands and me buttons on my laptop an so **** off brokely central to kensingtown

mk said...

no brockleyjon, you're right. that indy article is pretty awful. unless you were enetering a competition to get as many examples of the words "brockley" and "honor oak" into a piece as possible, without saying anything useful whatsoever.

richard ashcroft said...

The drugs don't work, they just make you illiterate.

Anonymous said...

A full on bo to nuffsaid. Big up respect.

alingtron said...

I for one love the area and felt very proud reading the article and knowing it's my home...

It's not perfect, but Brockley has so much going for it and lots we should fee really proud of.

alingtron said...

*feel really proud of. The rain is getting to me :)

nuffsaid said...

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anonenormous said...

Is that Hugh?

nuffsaid said...

anuver ting bro nik de brudders r regelar foloweres an aks i rite cos bez pirson 2 curekt ur lie abel we wil soo an a nuvver ting y am stil at it u shuld pul in dem chin an wotch u do not get a d an m thru dem livin rum of ur milliun pund ous an u shuld stop dis brokley doger doin the norties on hillee feelds as e iz a bottee boy wiv big iz shoos i rite all dis buy me ifone it culd ave sum miss takes

SprekkenzeeEnglish? said...

Is that Dutch?

Anonymous said...

If I could live in Chelsea I would!

NAT said...

Nuffsaid Let me introduce to you to theman what know how tings rote. Yo Pedants ( Hyperveentillating, you may excuse yourself, nice that one feels that soulful on the matter) This is Nuffsaid.

Bloke down our road sold his gaff for a bundle, literally, a bundle he sold it for, and moved out to spain

patrick1971 said...

@Mouse: the houses on that stretch of Manwood Road have three bedrooms upstairs, but the third one is quite small. The bathroom is also very small, and there's no separate toilet. The £439K house has done a loft conversion (a few houses have one but you can't see them as they don't interfere with the roofline from the street) but still only has three bedrooms, as they've knocked through the small bathroom and small bedroom to create one large bathroom, by the look of the floor plan.

It also looks to have been done up superbly with an excellent finish, which is obviously contributing to the price. I'm sure you'll find something in the area for much less.

Frustrated said...

Wow, still, that is insane...look at the prices on the surrounding (nicer, quieter) roads...much lower...no offence to what the owners have done to the house, very pleasant, but this is a prime example of estate agents trying to push up the market by estimating a totally unrealistic initial asking price, and essentially messing around with the owner's expectations...

foxicus said...

@ Lou Baker

Have you considered that many residents of our lovely area simply do not have sufficient resources to do things like paint their houses or pay for the expensive removal of broken-down household junk? You may well think it unsightly, but these things cost money and time and we share a neighbourhood with plenty of people who are significantly disadvantaged enough not to have a surplus of either. The 'problems' you cite are most often symptomatic of a whole range of complex, interrelated social issues that simply cannot be explained by 'laziness' or lack of care alone. Our environment reflects us and vice versa, innit? Just a thought...

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