Convoys Wharf plans to be resubmitted in November


The most recent designs for Convoys Wharf in Deptford

Building.co.uk reports that Deptford's most important redevelopment project (on Lewisham's little scrap of riverside land) is "back on track."

It writes:

Plans for the £700m 3,500-home Convoys Wharf scheme in Deptford, south-east London, which floundered during the downturn, are back on track, as its new developer prepares to submit revised plans this month. Chinese corporation Hutchison Whampoa, which bought the 16ha site from News International in 2008, will make only minor amendments to the original 2005 masterplan by Richard Rogers Partnership.

One of the biggest developments in the Thames Gateway, the plan included three towers of between 26 and 40 storeys, nearly 338,000m2 of residential development, 73,000m2 of offices and 7,000m2 of retail. The revised proposal will need to be approved by the mayor of London...

The brownfield land was originally used by News International to receive imported paper. It is on the site of a former royal dockyard used to build ships for King Henry VIII’s navy.

The scheme in its current form is arguably Lewisham's most coherent and exciting and we hope that the decision to drop Rogers doesn't lead to signifcant design changes.

119 comments:

Matt-Z said...

Does Deptford really count as Thames Gateway?

Anonymous said...

Look at the pretty picture. That's exciting. No it's not. Imagine it with about a quarter of those people, and none of the bushes on top of the towers, that have only been put there to make the proposal look more green.

This is ridiculous, a complete waste of money. Nobody is going to live there, and the buildings all look horrible. Same for Lewisham Gateway.

Anonymous said...

I'd think about living in a afforadable green RR riverside project you knob!

NXG Denizen said...

It's projects like Convoys Wharf that will help kickstart the regeneration of Deptford and the borough as a whole. I look forward to the development of this with interest.

Anonymous said...

The biggest problem this development is going to have is that although the images look very nice, and the redevelopment of the area is really good, I doubt they will mention the smell from the creek on any of their marketing information.

Headhunter said...

Excellent plans. The derelict site at Convoy's Wharf has got to be one of the biggest wastes of space in inner London AND it fronts the river!

Tressillian James said...

Think it is a great scheme - do wonder though how much it iwll change from the masterplan by the time it gets built; especially as R Rogers has been dropped by the new developers. Expect to see the open public space much reduced, the apartments of higher desintity and less architectually interesting 'towers' built.

Tressilliana said...

I don't see any mention there of schools. This borough is in desperate need of another secondary school and none of the sites Lewisham has identified for this purpose in the last ten years has been ideal. Surely this is a brilliant opportunity to get a decent site for a secondary school? Condition of planning permission?

Also, with that number of people commuting to and from Deptford each day there will also be extra pressure on the transport system. Not a good time to be cutting back previously planned expansion, then!

G said...

I'm open to persuasion, but what are the details of this scheme that are 'exciting'? An honest question, not a snide one.

Headhunter said...

I should think anything would be exciting if it gets rid of the dereliction that currently occupies the spot but then again I can see the need for a school and thsi would be a good opp to provide 1

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

I have no interest in schools but what about pubs?

I hope there are some new ones otherwise the Dog and Bell will be over-run and its character changed completely.

Is there such a thing as a sucessfull modern pub? Don't pubs need character which only comes with age?

Discuss

(I sound like a PR man from CAMRA)

Anonymous said...

Tressilliana - extra commuters will presumably jump on the new longer DLRs.

Fizzy said...

I think there's a proposal it may take it's district heating from SELCHP, so another plus. Let's hope so.

Tressilliana said...

3500 homes. That could easily translate to 5000 people new inhabitants of SE8, not to mention the people travelling to Convoys to work. Some of them may work from home, or be able to walk to work, or cycle. The rest will either add to the congestion on the roads by driving or they will be travelling by public transport. The one and only time I travelled by the DLR in rush hour you couldn't have squeezed a cigarette paper into my carriage by the time the doors closed at Lewisham. I can't see that the longer trains will be able to to soak up several thousand new passengers every day.

Nux said...

OMG can't they see they are all going to be eaten by a giant aquatic spider? Run tiny architectural visualisation people, run!

Anonymous said...

Tressiliana has raised legitimate concerns. Hopefully these issues have been addressed adequately in the planning document.But it is worth discussing.

Deptford dame said...

"Lewisham's little scrap of riverside land". The cheek!

Karen Liljenberg said...

The Rogers design completely obliterates the historic character of the site - not only the first royal navy dockyard, but Sayes Court Manor and its celebrated garden created by John Evelyn in the seventeenth century. The National Trust owes its inception to its first, regrettably unsuccessful, campaign to preserve and restore the Sayes Court gardens.

Now we have an opportunity to create a unique project that could restore the gardens and conserve the remains of the house (currently buried under concrete), reconnecting with the local heritage, and creating pride in it. This area needs more quality public space, not yet more high-density housing.

Tamsin said...

But Lewisham Council need housing schemes to tick their boxes and fulfil their promises and this is in no one's back yard. And unlike other development sites (e.g. Elephant and Castle) it doesn't seem to impinge on significant views from Telegraph Hill or Hilly Fields.
But the transport infrastructure is a huge, huge issue that needs to be thought through in, for once, a joined up way.

Matt-Z said...

As well as the DLR upgrade I think Deptford mainline station is also getting platforms and trains lengthened - to 12 carriages long by 2012 I believe.

Presumably new bus routes would also be laid on to ferry people from Convoy's Wharf to Roherhithe, Canada Water or Surrey Quays.

Whether that lot will provide enough capacity for 5000 new residents is up for debate. Certainly the Rotherhithe and Blackwall Tunnels would feel the strain from the extra traffic, lending weight to the calls for the proposed Silvertown Crossing.

Aside from ELL Phase 2 (which wouldn't have much impact on the development) and one or two suggested new piers (is there one attached to these plans?), I don't think there are any other major transport plans for the area.

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Anonymous said...

I dont think many of these apartments will be affordable to the ordinary person.

nopetrol said...

More Schools would mean more mothers cluttering up the roads with there 4x4's.

Pete said...

Not necessarily! Mothers don't have to drive their kids to school.

Headhunter said...

Karen Liljenberg - I'm certainly a fan of preserving character but is there really anything there to preserve? Sayes Court is not patr of the Convoy's Wharf space and was demolished in the early 1700s, bit late for restoration, methinks. However I understand the need for quality community space but it's not clear really if there is or isn't in these plans. I hope they extend the Thames Path along the riverside there. Currently the Thames path ducks through the back streets of Deptford, away from the river completely, after passing along the beautiful river front at Greenwich.

drakefell debaser said...

Is this bit of park off Grove St not part of the original Sayes Court gardens?

Google map coordinates - 51.484931,-0.031119

nopetrol said...

Oh If only Pete.

maxink said...

Wow, the birthplace of the National Trust!
Now that's an irony.
Sold to Chinese investors by an Australian tax dodger!

Karen Liljenberg said...

The present Sayes Court Park doesn't represent the original site of Sayes Court, it only overlaps the very western edge of it, in fact. All the rest is under Convoy's Wharf, as can be seen on the Google Earth overlay of John Evelyn's own detailed plan at http://tinyurl.com/ygv9zjm

I'm not suggesting restoration of the house itself - although the Deptford workhouse that was built on its site might have incorporated parts of it. However, it would be good if the foundations could be consolidated and put on display.

On the other hand, restoring at least some parts of the garden would be very feasible - recent historic garden restorations have been undertaken by the National Trust with a lot less evidence to go on than we have for Sayes Court

Anonymous said...

DLR capacity increases will allow an estimted 16,000 more people to travel to CW each morning. That plus longer trains at Deptford should be enough for 5,000 extra commuters. And the DLR isn't that busy at Lewisham at the moment.

G said...

Hmm, I'm afraid nothing here has persuaded me that this is exciting.

Just because there's an ugly hole there doesn't mean it should just be filled in any old how with derivative glass skyscrapers, retail and offices. I don't want to be a kneejerk cynic but the image makes me think of two monstrosities:

- The Wandsworth riverside vandalised over the last 20 years by hulking, ugly luxury apartment blocks

- That canopy looks like a bigger version of the one at the disastrous concrete crime-magnet desert at Peckham library, the most overrated development by the most overindulged architect in Britain (Alsop, take your blobs and f--- off - oh that's right, you have f---ed off, and left Peckhamites to live in the rotting reality of your schoolboy 'vision'.

By the way, Nick or whoever is moderating, can't you remove that gypsies comment above? It's sitting on this thread steaming like a pavement dogpoo on a frosty morning.

Anonymous said...

I take my dog out at night,when there's nobody about.

Anonymous said...

Good for you. Is it a big dog?

mintness said...

At the risk of admitting to listening to Radio 4 while knitting hats out of mung beans, the folly of the word "affordable" and the way it's bandied about by property developers and councils these days was nicely speared by David Mitchell (I believe) on last week's News Quiz. When you think about it, it's actually bordering on outrageous that "affordable" should be considered a bare minimum in terms of housing targets, and even then only for the least impressive MDF matchboxes in any given complex.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Its a big dog,and I let him poo on those little drawings on the pavement.

Anonymous said...

cool, it takes a a lot of courage to do that. Your mum must be so proud.

Headhunter said...

I love some of these random conversations between the anonymouses....

Anonymous said...

and we love you headhunter

graeme said...

nuthing wrong with radio 4

Anonymous said...

My Mum comes with me.

Anonymous said...

I hope she doesn't spoil the pavement drawings as well.

Anonymous said...

No, she's more Into wall Graffiti.

Anonymous said...

ah, the pebble dash effect..

Anonymous said...

The longer DLR trains will already be full with the extra 1000s planned for central Lewisham.

Of course dropping Richard Roger will make a difference.

But those towers do look out of scale. That is all you'd expect of Lewisham. Not reknowned for fine new building (Laban excepted). Lewisham sold off one of the sites they owned which was suitable for a secondary school just a few months ago. Apparently to Barratts.

Anonymous said...

The above helpful posts probably read something like this:
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Brockley Nick said...

Just time for a quick pan-galactic gargle-blaster then.

dude said...

Or,

Harroah, you wanna buy DVD?

Headhunter said...

They're Japanese not Chinese. The 1st and 3rd are ads for part time money making schemes. The first one says you can make, I think 150,000 Yen cash in hand (or it could be 1,500,000... not sure). It also says something about men and women but I can't read it all. The middle one is about something called a "H Checker"...

Headhunter said...
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Anonymous said...

Indeed

gree said...
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The Japanese spammers certainly do like this thread.

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2010 競馬予想 各厩舎・調教師から届けられる最強の馬券情報を限定公開!本物の オッズ 表はコレだ

友達 said...

よく「彼氏いるでしょ~?」って言われるけど、イナイよσ(‾^‾)トモダチ集めてホームパーティーなんかしたりするのがマイブームでして♪♪好きな人ができてもハズかしくて告れない…(>_< )しゅりのココロをゲットしてぇ~☆コドモっぽい性格だから年上でお兄ちゃんみたいな人がタイプだよ(*^m^*) h-13-i-12@docomo.ne.jp

オナニー said...

今や女の子のオナニーは常識。しかもお金を払って実際にオナニーを見てもらい、恥ずかしがるのや褒められるのが興奮のツボ!そんな彼女達とオナメールやHなことしてみませんか

モバゲー said...

誰でも楽しめるモバゲーの新感覚コミュニティー!ネットでもうひとつの生活を始めませんか

セレブラブ said...

セレブラブなリッチセレブリティ達のアダルトコミュニティーサイト!お金と時間に優雅なセレブ女性達はアダルトコミュで男性との秘密交際を楽しんでいるのです

友達 said...

変わってるって言われるけどわりといい人だよ(笑)!!お笑い好きな人だったら話盛り上がりそうだねO(≧▽≦)O 色んなことに興味深々でおっちょこちょいだからそばで支えてくれる人募集中σ(゜-^*)自分の年齢的に年下の男の子はアウトだからごめんね(*_ _)人 u-3-ummm52@docomo.ne.jp

スタービーチ said...

満を持してのスタービーチ復活劇!!ここから刻まれる、新たな一コマ。スタービーチがあなたの歴史を生み出します

スタービーチ said...

【緊急】突如として消えたスタービーチが復活!長い年月をかけて不死鳥の如く蘇ったスタビをお楽しみください【緊急】

人生の値段チェッカー said...

最近の不景気は、今一度自分の人生を見直すのに良い時期が来てます。こんな時代だからこそ人生の値段チェッカーで、人生の勝ち組に成る為のアドバイスを貰いませんか?ぱっと思い立った時こそ人生の分かれ道ですよ

モバゲー said...

モバゲーよりすごいスタービーチで最高の恋をしよう!!素敵な仲間を探したい!!信頼出来る友達が欲しい…理想のパートナーと出会って理想の恋をしたい…そんなアナタに最も最適なスタビで恋の幸せ掴みとりましょう♪

モテる度チェッカー said...

今迄モテたのに最近イマイチな人、これからもモテる気配の無い人、モテて人生変えたい人、一度モテる度チェッカーを体験しませんか。良くある出合いサイトにリンクされるのでは無く、親身なアドバイス結果が出ます。これで人生が変わった人がいますよ

皐月賞 said...

皐月賞・競馬予想!各厩舎・調教師から届けられる最強の馬券情報を限定公開!本物のオッズ表はコレだ

モバげー said...

モバげーとスタビ、異性とのであいを探すならやはりこの2つのサイトは外せない。Mixiよりも遊べるサイトで楽しもう

出会い said...

数多くある出会い系の中でも簡単に出会えるのはココ!女の子の登録人数が多いのであなたの地域のカワイイ娘もゲット出来ちゃうんです

スタービーチ said...

新しくリニューアルオープンしたスタービーチでは、新しいであいのカタチを提案します☆日本で一番有名なであい系、スタビならあなたに出逢いたい人が必ず見つかります

エッチ度チェッカー said...

合コンの必須うアイテムと言えば、エッチ度チェッカーと言うぐらいの知名度です。エッチ度をチェックして、気になる娘と親しくなるチャンスをつかもう。奥手の方でもその日の内にお持ち帰り出来るように、診断結果にはアドバイスも

スタービーチ said...

スタービーチで友達探し!出逢い広場は簡単な無料登録するだけで使い放題でメンバー同士、気軽にメッセージのやり取りが出来るよ!女の子と出逢いのチャンスがあるかも!?詳しくはTOPページにアクセスしてみよう

さいきん、お仕事が said...

お友達な状態です!!楽しいメールしたいので、はるによっかたらメールしてください♪ lovuv-555@docomo.ne.jp

スタビ said...

いつでもであい放題&即逢いOK!スタビで暇な時間にであいを探そう!!であいが今までなかった人も当サイト、スタービーチなら簡単検索機能であなたの理想の方と出会えちゃう!?簡単登録で今すぐご利用いただけます

スタービーチ said...

スタービーチが完全リニューアルして復活しました!!あの伝説級の出会い系サイトが満を持して再降臨。煌めくような今この瞬間にあなたの胸にもときめきをお届けします

モバゲー said...

誰でも知ってるモバゲーは人気SNS!当然出合いを求めてる人も多い!そこで男女が出合えるコミュニティーが誕生!ここで友達、恋人が簡単にできちゃいますよ

NHKマイルC said...

NHKマイルC 2010 予想、オッズ、厳選買い目は?今年の狙うべきポイントを限定公開!

Anonymous said...

Cant all the above Chinese posts be taken off there just links to porno sites.

Brockley Nick said...

@Anonymous we delete spam by the yard, but unfortunately it keeps coming and i also have a life.

As long as people continue to want to post anonymously, then it will keep coming as allowing anonymous posting leaves us vulnerable to it.

Click or don't click on the links , depending on whether you like Chinese porn.

Anonymous said...

I just want to say thank you for introducing me to Chinese porn....

notesofanidealist said...

Japanese. The text at 0030 is about betting rather than porn.

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