TfL expects 3m a year to switch to East London Line
A report in The FT today suggests that the East London Line will initially reduce the number of journeys in to London Bridge by 3 million a year (50,000 a day):
The new East London Railway should initially encourage about 50,000 people to change their daily commuting pattern.
London Bridge station, a gateway to the City used annually by about 50m passengers, will see about 3m passengers switch to the new route, planners say.
“When it comes to overcrowding, it’s the last bit that matters. So to take those journeys off it does help," said TfL's Ian Brown.
Before its closure, the East London Line carried 10.7 million passengers a year.
24 comments:
This explains a lot in terms of Southern's approach. Brockley station users are to use the ELL.
you don't HAVE to use the ELL
TFL is being misleading.
The ELL won't ENCOURAGE 50,000 commuters to change their route.
It will FORCE them to because a third of our existing trains are being axed.
Well aside from your obligatory exaggeration (it's not 1/3 of trains, as you ignore the 6 tph in the morning) I agree with you that many people who might have chosen to stick with the London Bridge route for the homeward journey are likely to switch to ELL due to the lower evening frequency.
Personally, I'll be switching to ELL in the eveing and would have done in any case, as I use the Jubilee Line and would much rather a shorter interchange and more reliable / frequent service from Canada Water than take my chances at London Bridge. But i accept that choice is easier, now that evening frequency's been cut.
Well as long as the 12 mins rail connection to London Bridge isn't tampered with any further.
If you only have 2 tph for example the 12 mins journey time is devalued.
Rail companies are naturally strategic and it means that rail users/lobbyists need to sharper and frankly more cynical in terms of analysing how they present things.
well, i actually work at st katherines docks so will be getting the ELL to wapping and walking, i think the journey will be easier, with frequent trains and no building site (that is london bridge) to navigate
@nick
At weekends we'll drop from 91 trains per day from Brockley to London Bridge to 64. That's a smidgeon below a third.
We do a better better on weekdays. Dropping from 97 trains to 77.
Overall we're losing 155 trains per week from the 668 we have - and that's just to London Bridge.
So forgive me. A quarter of our trains are being axed, not a third. How lucky are we????
A quarter is quite different to a third. Thanks for confirming, I look forward to you using the correct stats in future...
I don't expect you to mention the approx 1,000 extra trains a week we'll be getting to compensate, that would be too much to ask.
Nor the fact that the overland trains will be longer...
Yep, forced is the word I would use too...
New poll suggestion, leave the LB service as is or the new ELL service and fewer LB trains. I choose the later
Can anyone confirm if the ELL is running to NCG yet? might use it comming home tonight..
It's not....next week at the earliest and will be patchy for now. Google 'London Reconections'
Or click on the link on the right hand side
Coerced is the word I'd use
@nick
The extra trains are nice - but they don't go to the place where most of the people want to.
We were promised the ELL in ADDITION to
our London Bridge trains. In fact they're replacing a quarter of them.
It really would be better to keep our existing level of service to London Bridge and have fewer ELL trains, rather than having direct ELL trains to every sh*thole^ in London every few
minutes.
^except Harlesden
Lou, you keep forgetting about being able to change on to the Jubilee line. Honestly, your posts really do show a lack of anything but superficial reactionary gibberish.
If you think that the ELL will provide an underground like service with early starts, late finishes and frequent trains (in the evening) for a true "turn up'n'go" service....forget it.
On the SE23.com forum, people have been commenting on the new ELL time tables....
To quote from http://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=372&pid=23971#pid23971
"....First ELL train from FH to Canada Water: 0553 (arr. 0606)
First Southern train from FH to London Bridge: 0527 (arr. 0541)
Last ELL train from Canada Water to FH: 2356
Last Southern train from London Bridge to FH: 0036
With the Jubilee Line running through to central London from 0528(CW) / 0532(LB) and last trains at 0053(LB) / 0058(CW), using the ELL in the early morning would put me about half an hour later - and using the ELL to get home late would have me stranded at Canada Water without a service home 40 minutes before the last service leaves from London Bridge...."
Not forget all the engineering work on the Jubilee Line that will prevent us from changing at Canada Water at weekends for next 6-9 months.
Stop it! Just stop! The ELL is just fantastic, stop being so realistic. Be more positive and exited about your area being on the tube map and prospect loads of funky new people flocking to the area.
As long as they replace you lot of moaning old dullards I'll be more than happy.
I don't think Lou forgets that we can change at Can Water to the Jubilee Line it's just that this is not an attractive option when until recently we had direct trains to London Br, Waterloo and Charing X, without any change necessary. Changing at Canada Water doesn't seem attractive I'm afraid.
We still have that option, we loose SOME off peak but gain the new ELL service. Still a net gain, try harder.
Lou and Headhunter should be easy to spot on the ELL when it opens - just listen out for the tut tutting and lengthy sighs as the train pulls out of New Cross towards Surrey Quays.
I don't want people so funky that they totally disregard a place until it is on the tube map. Like those idiots in property makeover programmes who reject a house before it has its £2k worth of spit and polish but are then prepared to pay an extra £10,000 for it.
One should also never stop being realistic, however exciting things genuinely are. Just sets one up for more fobbing off and flannel in the future.
@Tamsin - I think it's obvious to anyone who reads BC that I am far from funky. But I will happily admit that there are many places in London I can't be bothered to work out how to get to by bus and train. Perhaps I am an idiot, but I suspect that the majority of Londoners are the same, including those in the south who ought to know better.
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