Ladywell hustings, April 21st

The Ladywell Village Improvement Group is hosting a political hustings on Wednesday. Pete writes:

The Conservative, 'Community Need before Private Greed', Green, Labour, and Liberal Democrat parties will be quizzed by Ladywell's residents. The event is open to all and will begin at 7.30pm on Wednesday 21 April at the St.Mary's Centre on Ladywell Road, SE13.

Please note - if you are attending and have a question you'd like to ask, please register it by midday on Tuesday 20 April, along with your full name and address, by e-mailing ladywellfields@yahoo.co.uk

Priority will be given, on the night, to questions submitted in advance and we will try to fit as many questions in as time allows.

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

what about the Greens?

Anonymous said...

'Community need etc etc...' are the Socialist Party.

Anonymous said...

Oops I see Greens were mentioned after all.

Pete said...

Well they're obviously a sort of socialist party. They seem to come in lots of different forms now don't they.

But then there are massive overlaps with most of the main parties too so I'm not sure if it matters.

love detective said...

"'Community need etc etc...' are the Socialist Party"

no, they are not

qt said...

Did anyone go to the hustings for Lewisham/Deptford on Saturday on Tanners Hill?

undecided no more said...

I went to the Lewisham/Deptford hustings on Saturday. By all accounts it was the biggest turn out for some time.

Asked at the beginning of the session "how many were still undecided" I reckon at least 90% put their hands up. They seemed surprised by this so presumably in previous hustings they were preaching to the converted.

Questions asked were on: homelessness/ probation services - touched on crime/ MPs expenses/ oil and the arms trade/ and immigration.

Got a bit lively toward the end when talked about oil and arms. When I say lively, a couple from the audience started swearing and getting aggressive - well when that happens you lose the argument.

Funny thing is, the beatnik guy who lost it when he spoke about govt. conspiracy theories regarding oil drove up in his car - oh the irony (made me smile).

Interestingly, a fair few people from BME groups turned up which was good to see but not representative of the wards demographics currently 57% white rest other I'd say it was 85% white. Need to promote it better next time to various groups.

I was hopeful that the young 20 something black bloke who spoke was going to say something interesting about immigration instead he just ranted with a tirade of swear words. In between each swear word he did manage to ask how can a single mother can cope living on benefits with six kids living in a two bed flat survive.

I was tempted to ask (tho too scared to) in case I was shanked outside as I left. How come we got to the stage where someone can expect to have six kids (by goodness knows how many different fathers) and expect the state and the taxpayer to support them.

I'll put it his anger down to being young and passionate and never having been taught how to ask a question without swearing.

I only went because I was unsure of whether to vote or who to vote for. But it did help make up my mind.

Well done to Utrophia for organising it.

bluegreenredyellow? said...

I went to the Lewisham/Deptford hustings on Saturday. It was the biggest turn out for some time apparently.

Asked at the beginning of the session "how many were still undecided" I reckon at least 90% put their hands up. They seemed surprised – I think they’re used to preaching to the converted.

Questions asked were on: homelessness/ probation services - touched on crime/ MPs expenses/ oil and the arms trade/ and immigration.

Got a bit lively toward the end when talked about oil and arms. When I say lively, a couple from the audience started swearing and getting aggressive - well when that happens you lose the argument.

Funny thing is, the beatnik guy who lost it when he spoke about govt. conspiracy theories regarding oil drove up in his car - oh the irony (made me smile).

Interestingly, a fair few people from BME groups turned up which was good to see but not representative of the wards demographics currently 57% white rest other I'd say it was 85% white. Need to promote it better next time to various groups.

I was hopeful that the young 20 something black bloke who spoke was going to say something interesting about immigration instead he just ranted with a tirade of swear words. In between each swear word he did manage to ask how can a single mother can cope living on benefits with six kids living in a two bed flat survive.

I was tempted to ask (tho too scared to) in case I was shanked outside as I left. How come we got to the stage where someone can expect to have six kids (by goodness knows how many different fathers) and expect the state and the taxpayer to support them.

I'll put it his anger down to being young and passionate and never having been taught how to ask a question without swearing.

I only went because I was unsure of whether to vote or who to vote for. But it did help make up my mind.

Well done to Utrophia for organising it.

qt said...

Thanks for the round up but what are BMEs?

robinoi said...

Hello,
the event was organised by NO2ID and Power 2010 and generously hosted by Utrophia. Posters and fliers were put up all over Brockley, New Cross and Deptford, for anyone and everyone to see as it was an open invitation, plus word being put out by bloggers.

bluegreenredyellow? said...

BME = black and minority ethnic groups

apologies no2id and power 2010, thought it was utrophia. well done for organising it.

Must admit I only found out by accident about it on this blog.

i think the only way to encourage more people to have a voice and come along is to engage community leaders.

Anonymous said...

I only saw a few 'BME's milling around outside, including the young guy shouting.

Brockley Nick said...

@bluegreenredyellow - so who did best in your view?

Anonymous said...

That's "hustings", Cat Man.

Anonymous said...

Lib Dem candidate for Lewisham Deptford has surprisingly uncuddly views on immigration:

Liberal Democrat candidate Tamora Langley said immigration was a top priority for one in 30 people in Deptford.

She said: "People are frustrated by seeing immigrants placed in council housing when they, or their children, have been on the waiting list for years.

"Particularly in Lewisham Deptford, where the Labour-run council has lost money that should have been ours to spend on upgrading social housing, people feel let down, and some wonder if immigrants are getting a better deal."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8612456.stm

Rob Blackie said...

'Anonymous' - you're missing the point here. Tam is reporting what people are saying to her - not what she thinks.

For a summary of Lib Dem policy on immigration see here: http://bit.ly/cNbX7d

drakefell debaser said...

I don't see anything uncuddly in what has been said. Can you clarify anon?

Pete said...

Does anyone have an opinion/know anything about Lewisham People Before Profit?

Sparrow said...

@ Pete. I don't know anything much about People before Profit but the choice of name says something I think, in other words Good versus Bad. If you ever bought Socialist Worker I think it's the one for you.

Tamsin said...

They've got flyers out, campaign newsletters starting from last January, a website and an HQ next to the Tea Leaf Gallery.

drakefell debaser said...

Profit is bad is it?

Wow, I am going to hell.

Anonymous said...

Pete and Love Detective The Socialist Party are running candidates in several wards with alternative names such as 'Community Need' or 'People before...'. Their mayoral candidate is running with a similar Socialist Party 'front' name.

Anonymous said...

Pete said:Does anyone have an opinion/know anything about Lewisham People Before Profit?

Reply: Yes they are a front for The Socialist Party who are too scared to actually run as that name in this election for some reason.

They are using different 'front' names in different wards.

love detective said...

"Pete and Love Detective The Socialist Party are running candidates in several wards with alternative names such as 'Community Need' or 'People before...'. Their mayoral candidate is running with a similar Socialist Party 'front' name"

no, their not

the socialist party are standing in telegraph hill (where they currently have two sitting councilors) and as usual are running under the name their party is registered with the electoral commission - socialist alternative (they are not allowed to use the name socialist party)

a completely separate party registered with the electoral commission called Lewisham For People Not Profit are running in all the other wards with a selection of crap taglines - this is also hamilton's vehicle for the mayor

so once again, lpbp is not a front for the socialist party

and the names the lpbp are running under in the other wards are not 'front' names but purely the various taglines registered with the electoral commission for that party - all parties do this - for example the tories have "David Cameron's Conservatives" and "Conservatives: Vote blue, go green" - it's just a tagline, not a 'front'

Anonymous said...

"a completely separate party registered with the electoral commission called Lewisham For People Not Profit are running in all the other wards with a selection of crap taglines - this is also hamilton's vehicle for the mayor

so once again, lpbp is not a front for the socialist party"

This is NOT true. They are backed by the local Socialist Party and financed by them.
The other names ARE 'front' names. There is no other logical reason for it.

Anonymous said...

no anon 15:53, you are wrong. LPBP are not financed by the Socialists and they have no more than a loose alliance with them. LPBP are non-partisan, i can be quite categorical about this.

love detective said...

@anon 15:53

are you saying lpbp are not a party registered with the electoral comission?

their party officers have nothing to do with the socialist party (in fact if you want to get petty you could say they are a green front as nick long is a party officer)

just because two parties agree not to stand against each other in certain seats (resulting in one party 'backing' the other) doesn't make one a front for the other - you talk about logical reason but your logic itself actually fails when you say that lpbp is a front used by the socialist party because they are too scared too run using their own name, but yet are running using their own name in telegraph hill

re financing, can you point me towards some evidence to back up your claim?

Tamsin said...

I think they are probably grass-roots socialists rather than Trotsky-ites. And driven by local exasperation although their policies are closer in line with traditional socialism rather than anything else. And so it is probably not quite right to say they are a "front" for anything. They are fairly clear on their website what names they have registered with the electoral commission - although I agree it would be less confusing if they were all under the same banner. But that is the problem with politics by committee (anyone hear the radio show "The Party"...?).

They are simply not fielding a candidate in Telegraph Hill Ward against the existing socialist councillors because so many of their ideas are the same they would split the vote. I don't think there is anything particularly sinister or underhand about it.

bluegreenredyellow? said...

@brockley nick 08.44


I think the strongest performers were Johnson (green) spoke with authority and answered the questions and communicated policies.

Ruddock (labour) bit soft but she delivered as a constituency MP and relatively unscathed by MPs scandal etc.

The difficulty is whether to vote for her because of her track record or not to vote her to punish labour generally.

I don;t think conservatives nor lib dems seriously think they could take the ward so put forward two young obviously educated women. But when it came down to the crunch they were more fluff than substance and stated some generalisms. A few more practice runs and in about 10 years time they're probably ready to have a real stab.

Socialist guy - well that's not gonna happen is it.

tum te tum - It did at least narrow the choice down for me..

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