Breakspears Road flashers

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Siobahn writes:

I live on Breakspears Road in Brockley and I just want to raise awareness to anyone who lives in the area and walks home late at night. Over the last 3 months myself and my friends have experienced 3 very similar incidents of two men walking Breakspears road and exposing themselves to us. We have reported each incident to the police but I was shocked when my Landlady mentioned that it had happened to someone she knew 2 years ago.

75 comments:

Anonymous said...

Two men together? If the police don't take seriously it may also be worth contacting the Safer Neighbourhood Team.

Anonymous said...

If you ring the safer neighbourhood team they tell you to call the police.

Anonymous said...

It happened to two different female friends (at different times), at least 2 years ago. For one it was just one flasher, for the other it was 2, both that same area

Good on you for reporting it, it's a shame that reporting it seems to be the end of the matter

Anonymous said...

Happened on Tressillian Rd about 8 months ago too.

Anonymous said...

I had a similar incidence on Gordonbrook Rd in Ladywell late Friday night about a year ago. The man in question was on a bicycle. Called the police and they were very prompt. Went down to Lewisham police station to see if I could recognise the man from mug-shots but sadly couldn't.

kolp said...

What did the man look like? What age, race, build? These incidents took place late at night, but at what time, before midnight or after?

Eleanor said...

Happened to me and a friend too, a couple of months ago, at the bottom of Upper Brockley Road. Told the police....

hilly dogger said...

good to see the BDS expanding beyond the park

Timmy2wheels said...

***Paging Brockley Dogging Society***

kolp said...

Is this a joke then?

Tressilliana said...

I don't think it's a joke but then I'm a woman and I have a teenage daughter. I would not find anything remotely funny about seeing someone exposing himself to me or her late at night on the street.

Mr Normal said...

could be the case that the flashers were actually men who got acidentally locked out of their flat/house/caravan with no clothes on...

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else find the 'Brockley dogging' poster a boorish nuisance?

I know I do.

Especially around a post on this subject. Flashing is often done by people who go on to other more serious crimes.

Not exactly a hilarious matter.

NAT said...

To be fair, I dont think, he/they have posted on this.

Lou Baker said...

If these human flotsam are caught they should have their genitals chopped off.

Then they'd have nothing to flash. (And nothing to commit more serious sexual crimes with).

But with plod being completely inept it is highly unlikely they'll ever be traced.

NAT said...

In any case there is quite a lot of competition in the boorish nuisance stakes

DJ said...

NAT, if I could 'like' your comment, Facebook style, I would.

Simmo said...

A person flashed in Manor Avenue to two young woman at night. The police have been trying to keep a lid on this. It is the third sexual incident in that road inside 16 months. (Others have taken place and police hush this up.)

Wickham road, Ashby Road, and various roads were cordoned off today by the police, aproxx 3pm. When I asked why, the officer reponded: I cannot tell you at present. He added something else but I will not share that.

I called the safer neighbourhoods team (a misnomer if ever). They did not know about it. I then called the Met. They responded "We cannot tell you at present because we do not want to spread panic amongst the general public.'

Panic?

What oh what is going on in Brockley Conservation Area!

Anonymous said...

Tressilliana, you have spoken at length in support of these bloody hostels. You have a sex offender unit in Breakspear road. Welcome to your reality.

manny said...

Hello out there in the fog! Wake up, before its too late!

Charlie said...

What1?! There is a sex offender unit in this area. My god this really is TOO much.

TheOracle said...

** Breakspears road is a “supported housing project” funded by Supporting People. It consists of 6 bedrooms with communal facilities and staff offices on site. Service user group, men with mental health problems and complex needs including those with forensic backgrounds who may have committed sexual offences and those who misuse substances."

Tressilliana said...

Anon, I accept that people with assorted mental health and other issues need supported housing in the community. I also think the 'support' should amount to something and that if anyone (whether in a hostel or not) breaks the law there should be consequences. What would you do with sex offenders, given that dropping them onto an uninhabited island isn't an option?

In any event, we don't know if these flashers are registered sex offenders, let alone hostel residents. So let's not start demonising in the absence of fact.

Len said...

The councl's called a meeting on one of these hostels on the 26th. News on the grapevine says Labour councillors are avoiding it, like the plague. Having been whipped no doubt.

Anonymous said...

Tressilliana, you are part of the problem. And you get what you deserve. Enjoy.

Rolls eyes said...

Oh dear, oh dear. The flaming torches and citizens with lengths of rope are out. Depressing but predictable.

"get what you deserve" nice sentiment. you disgust me.

gibby said...
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gibby said...

"get what you deserve". What the hell does that mean?
Outrageous comment.

Tressilliana said...

I get what I deserve? Lovely. I repeat, where do you think sex offenders should be housed? Would it be OK for them to be in a hostel in Nunhead or Dulwich but not in Brockley? Locking them up and throwing away the key isn't an option. They have to go somewhere.

If Brockley has a disproportionate number of hostels compared to other areas and that is resulting in an increase in antisocial behaviour and crime, that should be addressed. But I will have no truck with this kneejerk response that all hostels are full of criminals and perverts. I have a close family member with a mental health problem and I hate to see people stigmatised in this way.

Anonymous said...

Would anyone unlucky enough to have been a victim mind describing these men? Tall/ short, black/white, clothing, hair colour, bags carried, type of walk even? If the police will not circulate warnings, we need to do their job for them.

Anonymous said...

By the way, the thing to do is to call 999 immediately so the police can get there promptly by car and find the men on foot.

Also if you can avoid it, do not leave yourself opening your front door with them nearby.

Georgia Harrison said...

About 6 months ago a couple of friends and I were flashed twice while walking home from New Cross, about 1 or 2am I think. First on Barriedale and then, a few minutes later, on Millmark Grove. We didn't report it. Possibly a bit too blase as I didn't feel intimidated - three women vs one (+1) awkward man. It would have been a different story if I'd been alone.

The first guy was, I guess, in his forties? The second was younger. Both white, not big guys. But it was dark and we were tipsy...

Mr Breakspears said...

"Tressilliana, you are part of the problem. And you get what you deserve. Enjoy." - Anon.

What a disgusting comment, no wonder you choose to remain anonymous, you coward.

bumbags said...

I've not been flashed at in Brockley, but am fairly fed up of blokes exposing themselves to pee in broad daylight at the Cross end of Upper Brockley Rd. Last week one guy saw me walking up the one-way st towards the car lot on the same pavement as him, but proceeded to answer the call of nature right in front of me.
I've also had men pee up against my front wall (which isn't at all secluded) in the middle of the day- when I've banged the window they don't even flinch.

Blunderbuss said...

Hopefully the police take it seriously. When I saw someone being forced to the pavement and mugged by three youths in broad daylight by Brockley station, it took three appointments to the police station for me to do a line up, as in I turned up twice and was told to go home. By the time it actually happened it was nearly a month past the incident due to 'paperwork difficulties', and surprise surprise so long had passed I could barely remember what they looked like. Now over three months later I still haven't given a statement despite calling them several times and being told my info is very important.

Doesn't fill me with confidence.

neophyte doggee said...

A man asked me 'if I was alright' when I crossed hilly fields (on the footpath) one evening (there is a slightly longer version of the 'event' I could go into which would make it clearer that it was an offer to engage in some kind of same-sex outdoor adventure) - I am a middle aged gentleman (well, ok, 59), so i must have fitted into some kind of perverse demographic. Instead of being outraged, astonished or intimidated I have been able to repeat this story at the dinner table to general hilarity, embellishing it more as time goes by.

Dan said...

@Simmo

Cycled down Ashby road on Tuesday and saw a pair of trainers hanging over a power / telephone line.

An indication of a gang related murder or kids messing? On the basis they were plastic, probably the latter.

eerie in any case

Matt-Z said...

@Simmo

You complain about Police covering up or keeping a lid on things then continue "When I asked why, the officer reponded: I cannot tell you at present. He added something else but I will not share that."

If he could share it with you, a member of the public, why can't you share it with us?

Shardeloes Road Resident said...

Anon 17.05 - yes, the 'brockley dogging thing' is just really tedious. I have nothing against witty posts, lightening the mood and people making wry observations (albeit probably not relating to posts about sex offences) but the extremely limited joke is well and truly over now.

NAT said...

Once again S.S.R. the BDS, peurile or not, hasn't posted on this thread so to mention them/him risks trivialising the matter.

Anonymous said...

There was also a robbery (mugging?) at St Johns stations at 5:40pm last Thursday, as the poster from the British Transport Police on the station asking for information about it says.

Great to know our area is so safe, eh...

Dan said...

Incident posters instil fear for normal folk.

After an arrest, charge or conviction, why is the board not updated? Push the fear to potential criminals.

WE'RE ALL DOOMED (not really) said...

not this again, our area is no worse or better than the rest of London and is still one of the safest cities in Europe. London has never been crime free and is safer than it was 150 years ago. You may be mugged, you probably won't. As per the last few decades, including 'when I were lad'

Dan said...

but this is about a specific incident and people are and should be allowed to be worried.

Really not doomed said...

@dan, it was the "Great to know our area is so safe, eh..." comment. We are safe, you are very unlikely to be a victim, se4 and London are safer than most European and world cities. I don't discount the fear of crime being an issue in its self, it affects how we feel. It's just that some perspective is called for.

Anonymous said...

Well, it doesn't help to hear how the police is completely uninterested in the flashers - if they don't get caught, it'll just continue. Or similarly, it's annoying to see that the Council won't put proper lighting outside St Johns, everyone can see how it's ideal for muggers (there were several muggings there a couple of years ago).

Slimer said...

Dan - those trainers have been hanging over the lines in Ashby for a good few months. Just kids messing I would think. I often wonder how to get them down, but short of shooting the laces I'm out of resources and ideas.

Simmo - if you have some info from the police on our area then please share it. My family had a car window smashed on Ashby a few weeks ago (one of three windows to be broken that night on that street) and I'm keen to know what other problems the area may have. I'm sure with the right pressure applied we can get more proactive policing if necessary.

THNick said...

Dan/Slimer, I've heard that trainers on the telegraph wires indicate somewhere you can buy drugs. It's a "pub fact", I have no experience to back it up.

kolp said...

The Daily Mail picked upon a this 'phenomena' a few years back, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-449948/The-trainers-mark-drug-gangs-territory.html

Inconclusive, it could mean something sinister or it could not, depends on the area.

Headhunter said...

Those trainers have been hanging there for 2-3 months now... Never seen any drug activity on Ashby Rd...

Brockley Nick said...

The trainers thing is an urban myth.

Slimer said...

Thanks - interesting stuff. Anyone noticed any others around the place? We'll have to see if a new pair appear once these are removed.

Brockley Nick said...

Actually, I'd rather you didn't encourage Simmo to share something which he / she presumably has good reason not to want to share. Thanks.

Kirsty said...

A couple of months ago I was flashed at repeatedly by a man from his house on Harefield Road. It would happen at about 8 in the morning on my way to the train station, he knocked on the window until I looked up and there he was. The first time it was funny, the second time weird, the third time I got angry. Especially as he was becoming more animated each time.

I reported it to the police, they took it seriously and a police officer came to visit me that night. I later went to the station and give a 2 hour witness statement in which I gave the exact address of his house. I was asked to do an ID parade which I agreed to but admitted I wasn't confident. At this point I found out that two other people had reported him and that the suspect had a wife and baby.

I wasn't succesful at the ID parade, but had clearly identified his ethnicity correctly (Chinese). The police told me that they had taken him in for questioning and he admitted he was the only man with access to the building but denied he had done it. The police told me there was a very strong case against him.

I found out on Monday that the CPS decided not to press charges because I couldn't ID him. I was absolutely horrified. He's got a little kid and this is how he gets his sexual kicks.

Nick - at the time I thought about getting in contact with you to ask for any other people to come forward who this had happened to. I really wish I had as then the police would have had a stronger case.

Anonymous said...

There was a time when I was growing up, when just about every recreation ground seemed to have a local flasher.
These people were looked on as sad, dirty old men and were a figures of much fun.
The times I've heard women regale stories of how-upon being flashed at-they said something like "is that it"?
A man's got his cock out-big deal!
Now, I'm not for one minute suggesting that these people are unpleasant wankers-literally-but I am suggesting that other than making people feel uncomfortable, they haven't actually really done anything.
Earlier in the thread, one person suggested that flashers go on to commit more serious crime later on-is this true?
If it is, I apologise for the above, but I do remember a time when these people were just figures of fun.
ho

Anonymous said...

My mother was 'interfered with' by a flasher in a park, back in the fifties. So I think it may well be the case that they have 'unhealthy urges' that could lead them to commit more serious crimes. I will stay anonymous on this occasion if you don't mind.

Anonymous said...

It wasn't in Brockley or even London, incidentally.

kolp said...

I have to agree with that, whilst no doubt unpleasant unwanted attention, these men are thankfully not touching people.
But it is creepy behaviour and i'm not sure that it should be tolerated.

Anonymous said...

Sad dirty old men? Maybe. But how would you feel if it was your Mum walking home alone in the dark when some pathetic bloke did same to her? It's not harmless.

another shardeloes resident said...

@anon 12 Oct 22:00

Now I don't agree with Tressilliana on most things she posts but your comment "you get what you deserve" is repellent. I think you've a set new low on brockley central.

With regards to the all this flashing business. I'm shocked at how long this has been going on and had the person not contacted Nick we'd all be none the wiser and learnt that this is not an isolated problem.

With regards to posting where a sex offenders unit is on a public state is a very dangerous path to go down. I appreciate people's concerns and I sympathise with you if you live next door or close to the unit, but by publishing these details you run the risk of vigilitantes running amok, people wrongly accused and forcing offenders underground.

It also seems that some of threads are trying to link these flashers to the unit, if, and it's a very big if, the two are linked then the police, Supporting people, social workers and the council should be investigating the appropriateness of referring people to the unit reviewing their risk assessment policy. It for them to investigate and if you're not happy put pressure on your MP, and local councillors.

Olie said...

"According to police and sex therapists who treat flashers, the "harmless old git" tag is wildly off-beam. The flasher is more likely to be a young man - they start offending in their teens and, unless treated, continue throughout their lives - who may, over time, branch out into more serious contact sex crimes, including rape. Flashers are also highly likely to become involved in crimes against children. The law is widely regarded as being ineffective and the Home Office has been preparing for a judicial review since 1974."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/apr/19/gender.uk

Olie said...

So not a wildly amusing topic in my opinion.

Brockley Nick said...

It wasn't that long ago that paedophile teachers, priests and Scout leaders were seen as creepy figures of fun, rather than scary monsters. Our understanding of these issues and the impact that it has on the people affected has moved on and so have our attitudes.

Anonymous said...

Hi there,

I've seen people flashing on Breakspears road on three different occasions, all on friday nights/saturday mornings at 3.30am approx. Its the same two guys each time. One man(looks acerage height, white, 30's, carrying weight on his belly) is always lying on the footpath with a hat covering his face and his trousers and underwear at his ankles (this has happened three times now and it has been at the lewisham way side of breakspears road). There is a second guy (tall, slim, arab, 30's), once seen him totally naked with just runners and a hat on and he followed me and my friends up the road to our house and waited outside and watched us go in. Last Friday night, as it was quite cold out, he was dressed in a tracksuit, with a peaky hat covering his face but he had the whole crotch of this tracksuit bottoms cut out so he was totally exposed. He walked straight past us, didn't look at us but seem quite shifty and not very confident in what he was doing. This is not a spontaneous/in from the pub, bit tipsy looking for a laugh/practical joke. If anyone is considering walking Breakspears late at night, be in a group and prepare yourself for the flashers.

Anonymous said...

In addition to my post directly above..
I'd like to say that any time I have called the police, which again has been three different occasions, they have responded promptly. They have sent the police out and taken full reports from me each time. I even had an appointment with them yesterday to give more details and they are trying to look into it.

BrockleyKate said...

I'm really shocked to hear about this, and to hear that it is such a common problem, and has been going on for so long. Many thanks to Nick and the posters on this thread for alerting people to the problem.

I would GREATLY like to hear a response from the police about this, whether they are aware that it is clearly a pattern and not just individual incidents, and what they plan to do to make women in our community feel safer.

kolp said...

I cannot understand why it's taking so long to get adequate lighting around St John's station. Who is responsible for the situation.


As for these flashers yes the police must act, or demonstrate fulsomely that this matter is being dealt with. We've seen from the August riots that people will take things into their own hands when there is an apparent absence of authority.

flagrante said...

"people will take things into their own hands"


yes, seems to be happening . . .

Headhunter said...

Don't expect much from the police on this, they seem quite happy to allow open drug dealing to occur around the war memorial at the end of UBR... Been going on there for years n years. That's surely a fairly easy crime to pinpoint and attempt to elminate. Something as transient and as difficult to pinpoint as flashers would take up a fair amount of police resource so they're unlikely to bother...

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Anonymous said...

i really hope that's a joke... either way can it be deleted please?

pip said...

I'm absolutely staggered that this is such a common problem. Presumably what has been reported on this thread is a small fraction of actual incidents that have occurred, since not everyone reads this blog. Has there been a single conviction out of all of these incidents? Very concerning.

PS Enough with the flippant jokes, this can be quite a traumatising experience, especially for young girls.

Ali Kati said...

How bizarre. Why would anyone get a high out of exposing their vulnerable bits? While on a bike, at that?! I'd be worried the dangly bits would get caught! And aren't they afraid someone might charge their bits with a poky thing?

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