Brockley Leisure Centre and Swimming Pool

Lewisham Council has launched a naming competition for the new leisure centre and swimming pool being built at Loampit Vale. They say:

The flagship leisure centre is due to open to the public in the first half of 2013. One of the UK’s leading specialist architects, LA Architects, is leading on the design while local artist Phil Coy is working on plans for the façade to be used as an art installation.


Work on the new leisure centre is progressing well and, as it begins to take shape, the Council is starting to thinking about what to name it.


The Mayor of Lewisham, Sir Steve Bullock, said:  “The building will take pride of place in our plans for the regeneration of Lewisham town centre and the design is intended to complement and enhance the river and social space running through Cornmill Gardens.


“The façade of the building will be a cascade of colour and light and we want the name to reflect the vibrancy and energy that the building will introduce to the area.  The new facility will provide a real focal point for residents, somewhere they can meet and socialise as well as experience first-class leisure facilities.

“Ideally we’d like to give the centre a name that reflects the new spirit of regeneration and that encapsulates the social nature of the centre.  Of course, we can think of our own name but Lewisham is home to so many creative people that it would be a waste of talent not to tap into that.”

The centre will include an eight lane competition pool with a moveable floor at the deep end to allow additional water area for teaching, a
 teaching pool, two dance/exercise/aerobics studios, a fitness suite with 100 stations, a health spa, a climbing wall, a creche and a cafe.
Ideas for naming the centre, together with a short explanation for your choice of name, can be emailed to sportandleisure@lewisham.gov.uk

If they want this thing to be a hit, then the right name seems obvious to Brockley Central, but what are your suggestions?

82 comments:

max said...

I refrain from suggesting a name, but are you sure that they will have a movable floor in the main pool rather than the teaching pool?

This is not a big pool, it will be overcrowded regardless of the name, to think of reducing lane swim with a movable floor would be very wrong.

I thought that the movable floor was for the teaching pool so that it can be used by the less confident swimmers when it's not used by children and therefore virtually enlarge the pool by adding extra available swimming space.
Of course to be open it must have enough attendants, but if that was done then it would go some way in reducing the inevitable overcrowding that this pool will suffer.

It would be useful to have a clarification from the Council.

Brockley Nick said...

The copy is taken directly from the press release, which says that both the main and the teaching pools will have movable floors.

Anonymous said...

This isn't really Brockley - this is Lewisham... we need one a bit closer to Brockley Cross!

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, it was just my little joke.

max said...

Well in that case, I suggest they save the money and don't provide a completely useless movable floor from the main pool, also in the spirit of keep it simple, one less thing that can go wrong.
If anything they should make the pool deeper so that they can have diving but I guess that's wishful thinking.

If anybody from the Council is reading this, can they please tell us what's the use of a movable floor in the main pool?

bellyki said...

I think this is very exciting, a fancy new pool in the area. We should call it the 'glass half full pool'.

THNick said...

Max, maybe I'm wrong, but I assumed that the moveable floor would drop the floor level from "deep" to "very deep" to allow that end to be used by scuba divers etc, surely it doesnt need to be made shallow since there's already a teaching pool for that?

Anonymous said...

@ Max
Why will it be overcrowded. I often go to Wavelenghts at weekends, the 25m pool there is always quite empty. It is the leisure pool that gets crowded.

max said...

THNick, no I'm afraid I'm almost certain this pool is supposed to be 2m deep at the deep end (Ladywell is 3.8m).
Unless both ends are deep and they want a movable floor just for half of it.

max said...

Anon, Ladywell is working at full capacity, sometimes it's comfortable, sometimes it's overcrowded, and since this new one to replace Ladywell will be in front of Lewisham station and in the middle of high density housing it's bound to receive more users than Ladywell.

Lou Baker said...

I think we should call the pool "Max."

After all he will soon be the only person left thinking people who can afford it should have their swimming subsidised by the state anyway.

Just let LA Fitness or Virgin Active or someone open there instead. Then you solve three problems.

1) It doesn't every get that busy.

2) You don't have to share the pool with people who wear corduroy.

3) You don't have to share the pool with people who haven't washed for a month.

Easy.

Anonymous said...

They could get sponsorship for the name.

How about the Mayor Bullock News Shopper Portland Bookmakers Dominos Pizza Rosa Parks Pool & Leisure Centre.

Catchy?

Lou Baker said...

If it were sponsored it would need the words local and organic in the name somewhere.

Otherwise the 'local produce' brigade would feel terribly offended and stamp their sandal clad feet.

max said...

Thanks Lou, and greeting from Italy! I am now ifor a few days visiting my mum in my home town of Trieste, Italy, and I live round the corner from a pool built in 2004 for the European championship.
It's got a 50m indoor pool, a 50m outdoor pool and a dedicated diving pool.

The main pool is almost always divided in two providing 20 lanes. Result: no overcrowding.

And people are made to wash before they enter the pool and swimming cap is a requirement. Result: it's clean.

Anonymous said...

Lets call it 'Bullock's'

Bakerloo said...

Excellent to read Lou's brainless insults, really doesn't need anyone to counter him. Lou, your suggestion was non-means tested grants so that people can participate on a sport of their choice. No costing, not thought, just intellectual incontinance.

Ladywell non-fan said...

@max, the Ladywell pool is working at full capacity? Really? Maybe it's working at full capacity for the extremely limited mental capacity of the staff who work there. My daughter has weekly swimming lessons there and the only time I see it busy is during the school holidays. It is always otherwise very sparsely populated when I go. There are almost more 'pool attendants' (I use the term loosely - I mean the blokes that stand around chatting) than pool users. Maybe because it is a disgusting, filthy disgrace that they have obviously decided not to spend any more money on as it's being knocked down. But it's not being knocked down YET! They've already had an outbreak of legionnaire's there, God knows how it doesn't happen more often.

max said...

@Ladywell non-fan.

Besides making enormous sweeping generalizations, insulting all pool stuff, deciding that a pool should be demolished because it's not kept clean as it should (which is an argument that I never heard any intelligent person make), you're also obviously suggesting that I'm lying. I'm not taking this lightly and I would welcome an apology.

I swim at Ladywell regularly and I am therefore aware that it works at full capacity and that at peak times it is often uncomfortably full, to the point that on one occasion I even left halfway because it wasn't possible to swim.
That's full capacity! When people leave because it's too full.
Obviously there are times of the day when it's less full, this is natural and it's the same everywhere.

BTW pool staff members are perfectly qualified for their job. Are you irritated that they speak to each other? What's your point? That they should stay silent and stand to attention when you enter the pool?

This aside it is my opinion that Ladywell pool is an excellent pool built to very high standard that would only needs some love to be absolutely brilliant and the new "exciting" and "fancy" and "state-of-the-art" new pool is a spectacular exercise in futility.

Moreover, since Ladywell Pool is 33m pool it offers a swimming experience that the new 25m pool will never be able to offer. Any pool after all is only as good as your swimming.

Hugh said...

I always knew they would cock this up and they have. Competition pool? Most people can barely swim, so why are we funding a pool for the tiny minority who want to compete?

I predict the timetable, when it is finally published, will give Saxon Crown exclusive use of at least half the pool on one weekend morning as well as weeknight slots. The latter I have no gripe with; the former is outrageous. Ask anyone who would like to swim at Deptford on Sunday mornings.

Remember too that this is the council that gave Parkwoood Leisure the contract to 'run' Ladywell and Deptford pools. The service included variable water temperature and depth, showers without hot water for months on end, toilets frequently left uncleaned, light bulbs left unchanged for months at a time, surly and uncommunicative staff, carefully selected publication of customer feedback, timetables that were always inaccurate and a website which invited queries only to ignore any complaint.

The new pool will probably be well used given its location but I imagine will suffer from overcrowding and too many people who prefer splashing around.

In short, a frikkin disaster.

Ian on the Hill said...

I know...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pool

Lady Well Enough said...

I agree with Max that Ladywell pool could be great again if it was cleaned up, given a lick of paint and new changing facilities and toilets.
My children take their lessons there with Saxon Crown and I am constantly hearing form other parents how 'crappy ladywell pool is why wouldn't I send them to wavelengths etc.' - because the swimming tuition with SC is excellent and the pool is fine. I don't need bright new and flashy all the time, sometimes I just need a quality service, which SC delivers.
I would like the changing facilities stripped out and re-done, however, I don't think the whole thing should be torn down. What a waste.

patrick1971 said...

Getting back to what the thread asked, what about the Edith Nesbit Memorial Swimming Pool? A great local celebrity who wrote some wonderful books for children.

Lou Baker said...

@bakerloo

You are mistaken. I have said it would be a better policy to give all CHILDREN vouchers to put towards a sport of their choice. Not just swimming - which disinterests many. And children should not be means tested because it is not their fault if they are born into a poor family or into a wealthy family. And their parents income is irrelevant.

And you pay for such a policy by largely scrapping the armed forces, axing incapacity benefit for most claimants, doing away with subsidised council housing and letting the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish go their own way. That'd give us a nice tidy to sum. We could also cut your taxes - you could buy more sandals or, alternately, sensible footwear.

@max

I am sure you are having a lovely time at the pool in Italy.

I am sure it is very big, very clean and very well used.

Probably because most Italians taken 8 hour lunch breaks.

Which explains why the pool you are using - along with most of the rest of Italy - can't pay its way and is on the verge of bankruptcy.

Still - spending money you don't have is your policy of choice so I guess it doesn't matter eh?

Hugh said...

PS The other reason Ladywell is sh*t is that its design is 'half a bucket of water' rather than incorporating the vaguely modern idea of infinity edges that soak up waves. In case you ever wondered why the chop at Ladywell is like the sea on a windy day.

As for Saxon Crown providing good swimming tuition: I can only imagine you are speaking as someone with no idea of what good technique involves. Whenever I've listened in on lessons I cringed for the students.

What do you do if you can't teach? become a swimming teacher?

Ladywell non-fan said...

@Max, I was not suggesting it should be demolished because it's not clean. Not at all. I was saying the opposite - that I thought the council have given up looking after it because they are planning to demolish it. Which I thought they were. Apologies if this is not the case. I think it *could* still be a great resource but it is not looked after and is undeniably very dirty. Not the pool itself but the areas around the pool. Some areas are positively grimy. Muddy, even. And because it's already dirty, many people don't respect it so walk around the pool with their shoes on etc to take their kids to their lessons. I've never seen anyone confronted by staff over this.
I have found the quality of teaching there mixed, but the teacher we finally stuck with for our daughter has been brilliant. The leisure centre staff I find indifferent at best. That is my opinion. I may just have been unlucky.
As for calling you a liar, not at all. Again, I apologise if it came across as such - ladywell pool excites a certain fury in me as I think it could be so much better. I was genuinely surprised that you find it at full capacity - I know you swim a lot so I am not disputing it. I am surprised and pleased that this is the case because my experience (admittedly generally at the same sort of time each week) is that it is quite empty. I admit I was rather too flippant about the staff. I just feel that their attention is not always on the job in hand. It is not well run. People wander in and swim for free because nobody stops them. Hopefully all of these issues will be resolved by the new contractor.

Bakerloo said...

Lou, you're an idiot. keep providing crass, stupid, insulting, personal attacjs as evidence to confirm, thanks awfully.

max said...

Thanks Ladywell non-fan, I can surely agree with that and thanks

BTW, I found that recently the changing rooms are cleaner but the quality of the water has deteriorated, I noticed that the pumps are pumping less, which means less cleaner water coming in. It could be that they're making savings in this way and I have complained.
Things are far from perfect but it's not the staff the issue, it's the management and ultimately the Council.

Lou, love the platitudes.
FYI Italians work just as hard as British people do, public finances are in a mess but it is a very productive country, I just checked and its GPD is about 90% of that of Britain, which is remarkable considering that the southern half is actually rather poor.

Lou Baker said...

@max

Italy is great to visit. It's given the world wonderful things like pasta, Ferrari and the mafia. But - when it comes to money - it's a basket case of a country. Not quite as bad as Greece but close.

Southern Europe is all about siesta and scandal. Made rich almost exclusively on the back of investment from northern Europe - as we're all about to find out.

@bakerloo

I haven't insulted you. Lefty loons are not worth the effort.

max said...

Lou, you have obviously never been in the north of Italy.

Bakerloo said...

Presumably you’ve reread your previous post and realised that it makes you look an ignorant fool and are now desperately trying to moderate and equivocate your way out of it. Not really working is it? Jeremy Clarkson’s brand is a boorish halfwit, fair enough if you like that kind of intellectually lukewarm humour. Thing is I suspect you’re not ‘joking’ and really think the world conforms to lazy Mediterraneans and Daily Mail ‘loony lefties’ bogeymen. It does rather reveal the level of your thought processes. Resolutely adolescent.

Get back to me if you need anymore pointed out.

Anonymous said...

The Rainbow Centre or The Mosaic Centre perhaps...

max said...

Even Jeremy Clarkson would have done better.
Lou managed to name Ferrari, he forgot Lamborghini, Bugatti, Maserati, Ducati...
And he mentioned pasta, but forgot the rest. Lou, take a look at any supermarket's shelf, find for yourself how is Italy's food industry doing.

Brockley Nick said...

Max, it's fair to say that Italy's GDP would be a lot lower if the value of its economy wasn't being propped up by the Euro. The Italian economy is in a very bad way, no?

Not that I am saying Lou is right about the rest, you understand!

Lady Well Enough said...

Ah, yes, I forgot where I was for a moment.
My experience doesn't count here unless it matches up with yours.

Anonymous said...

A bizarre and irrelevant argument is going on above.


Anyway what about calling it The Lewisham Peoples Palace???

The Lewisham Mosaic

The Lewisham Rainbow

The Lewisham Splash

The Lewisham Ocean

The Lewisham Neptune Centre...

Any other ideas?

Brockley Nick said...

Well then, how about:

The Quaggy Centre?

Or if they wanted something reet classeh, The Ravensbourne Centre?

But I think the Quaggy sounds cooler.

Hugh said...

It will be called the Lewisham Leisure Centre.

max said...

Nick, that's true, but the north (and that's half of a big country) is indeed very productive, pretty much to the same level of the most productive parts of northern Europe, and it was so before the introduction of the Euro.
And the South was always a basket case living off the subsidies provided by the north before the Euro arrived.
All the Euro subsidies did to the South was to provide more money to waste to the politicians of the South, it does count towards GDP though I guess.

Lou Baker said...

@max

I've spent far longer in northern Italy than the south. As I said, I like it - it's a nice place. But it doesn't earn enough to prop up the south. Italy can't pay its way - and so it really isn't an example to follow.

Though most members of our government would benefit greatly from attending a bunga bunga party. If you could ask Silvio to arrange please.


@bakerloo

I am honoured to even be mentioned in the same post with Jeremy Clarkson. A man I disagree with on almost everything - but who I admire for his ability to provoke thought.


Anyway - why isn't the centre just called Swim@Lewisham. Easy to understand for even the many dimwits we have in this borough.

Brockley Nick said...

@Max - sorry to confuse, I wasn't talking about Euro development loans, I meant that if Italy still had a floating currency like the UK, its GDP would have declined in nominal terms, as an Italian currency would surely have fallen in value, whereas the Euro has remained strong (which is part of Italy's problem).

This Economist special report on Italy, written by someone who clearly has a great deal of affection for the place, sums it up:

http://bit.ly/qvPo3H

"Between 2000 and 2010 Italy’s average growth, measured by GDP at constant prices, was just 0.25% a year. Of all the countries in the world, only Haiti and Zimbabwe did worse. Many things contribute to these gloomy figures. Italy has become a place that is ill at ease in the world, scared of globalisation and immigration. It has chosen a set of policies that discriminate heavily in favour of the old and against the young. Combined with an aversion to meritocracy, this is driving large numbers of talented young Italians abroad. In addition, Italy has failed to renew its institutions and suffers from debilitating conflicts of interest in the judiciary, politics, the media and business. These are problems that concern the nation as a whole, not one province or another. They have not been helped by Mr Berlusconi’s incumbency in the Palazzo Chigi..."

If you read the full article, there are a lot of positives - small companies that have done very well at growing internationally, a high number of world-class large companies, a tradition of craftsmanship and design and a tourist offer and national brand, which are the envy of nearly every country in the world. But, economically, it's in bad shape. Britain has a a great economy too, if you ignore the poor and unproductive bits.

max said...

Lou, if the world would eventually finally go to hell in a hand-cart and the Euro disappear then it's not just Italy that would be in quite a spot of trouble to pay its ways, but anyway, in that situation it's quite likely that Italy would either split of more probably become a loose federation greatly reducing the flow of money towards the South.

max said...

Nick, all true.
I agree with all of that, those are the reasons why I don't live in Italy.

Lou Baker said...

@nick

Most of that applies to the UK too. Italy is a lovely country - shocking government, bad economy, but nice scenery and good food.

The problem with most of Europe is just how ludicrously high the taxes are - and what those taxes are spent on. Yes we want the clean energy, the good roads and the fast railways. That's good money that differentiates us from the U.S.

But we get all the social crap with it that just keeps huge numbers of people in poverty, stagnates the economy and stops growth.

Ladywell non-fan said...

I love the way a thread about a swimming pool in Lewisham can digress onto a discussion about Italian economics!

Sue said...

I rather like the idea of an Edith Nesbit Leisure Centre, afterall, she did live round the corner in Elswick Road. Would be equally happy with Ravensbourne/Quaggy/Loampit Vale Leisure Centre too.

@Hugh- Parkwood lost the contract when it was tended out and I think Fusion have now taken over, so maybe there will be some minor improvements at Ladywell. Surely the term competition pool refers to it being a standard competition size (25m), and that there will be some spectator seats so there can be occasional swimming galas for the swimming clubs - a good thing?

TM said...

Loampit Leisure Centre....

Ladywell non-fan said...

I hope they can come up with something a bit more imaginative than the Loampit Leisure Centre, although I'm sure whatever it is will get roundly derided here! Don't know about the Quaggy Centre, there's already the Quaggy Children's Centre up the road so that might be a bit confusing. Kind of.

NAT said...

Can't see anything wrong with the Loampit Leisure Centre. I suppose the Nesbit Loampit Centre might be overegging a bit...

...yes.

Also like the Quaggy Leisure Centre, although it will be nearer the Ravensbourne.

Anonymous said...

Isn't the new housing development next to it called Venice Corte or something... no wonder this thread has become all about Italy. ;)

Deptford Pudding said...

E.Nesbit led an unusual life. And not just in Lewisham.

mb said...

Alan Partridge! reactionary, crass, not as smart as he thinks he is. Reminds me of someone.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/oct/17/alan-partridge-i-partridge-book

Anonymous said...

The 'pool' should be called LEWISHAM BRIDGE after the fated school that no longer exists thanks to the many people who SOOO loved Ladywell Pool. Well done....you closed a council run community school because of your actions. And before you berate this post, check out your facts....

Mondee said...

@anon, take your politics elsewhere! That topic has been done to death. And the school is still there, albeit by a different name, shape and size. I appreciate that you obviously disagree with what happened, but it's done now. And I predict that it will become a very successful school. Unlike, I'm afraid, Lewisham Bridge (that is, if you look at stats, results etc - which I also concede is not the only way to judge the success of a school).

Anonymous said...

Loampit Vale Pool would become known as the Pits.

Anonymous said...

Now what to do with Ladywell Leisure Centre when it is demolished....

Would a cinema or a large music/theatre venue fit on the site?

With Ladywell & Lewisham stations nearby and about 10 bus routes passing by.....could be a goer?

Anonymous said...

Re Lewisham Bridge School....from an educational stand point that site was regarding as the best site.

If the new school is not successful the blame lies with the protestors who took to the roof ending up with a mix of ideas.

Oh...by the way many of the protestors wanted Ladywell Pool to remain open and said the Lewisham Bridge site was acceptable as the place for the new school.

kolp said...

Love the suggestion of a cinema, in the vacated Ladywell leisure centre space but I doubt it will get the go ahead, as the council will see that space more as a place to put flats and get more council tax receipts, than business rates could generate.

Anonymous said...

What about a cinema, ice rink and conference centre where the Ladywell Pool is?

That would bring in people to the area to spend money.

brockleymax'dre said...

Name it after se13/se14/se4 entertainer The DreZone and call it "THE ZONE"...
Now I type it, doesn't seem to be that bad after all!

Anonymous said...

Ladywell pool site? How about a new school.....
Undoubtedly Lewisham will sell it off to become private housing...

Anonymous said...

@anon, 19/10 at 10.22...as i said in my post - get your facts before you berate.....there is no 'mix of ideas' and not one single protestor wanted an 'all through' school run by an organisation not controlled by the LA....

Tressilliana said...

Anon, the two most successful and popular secondary schools in Lewisham have for many years been:

1. Haberdashers' Aske's, controlled by the Haberdashers' Company.

2. Prendergast School, single largest group on the governing body coming from the Leathersellers' Company.

Lewisham Council could not turn Malory School round. That has started to happen since they handed it over to Aske's.

Lewisham Council has failed to make Crofton School an attractive option to most SE4, SE6 and SE13 parents. Here's hoping Prendergast can turn that school round and make a success of the new school which is so badly needed.

Anonymous said...

Lets name it "Lewisham Chariots"

Anonymous said...

"The Mayor of Lewisham, Sir Steve Bullock, said: “The ... design is intended to complement and enhance the river and social space running through Cornmill Gardens."

I'd love to know from Sir Steve or his scriptwriters in what way the building complements or enhances the river.

I'd call the whole building "Lewisham Folly" and the swimming baths, "The Jolly Folly".

flat out said...

Everytime I could to Brockley from Lewisham way via the roundabout and you see these looming buildings I just think who put that there? It jarrs so badly. But people need homes. I just hope things stabilise soon because there's a sense of overwhelmingness with so many flats springing up everywhere you look.

ANONNONA said...

Tressilliana said:
"Lewisham Council has failed to make Crofton School an attractive option to most SE4, SE6 and SE13 parents. Here's hoping Prendergast can turn that school round and make a success of the new school which is so badly needed."
1. Crofton School hasn't existed for almost 4 years, it reopened as Prendergast Ladywell Fields College (along with a lovely new BSF building) in 2008
2. PLFC is a Lewisham Maintained school that is part of the Prendergast Federation (with Prendegast Hilly Fields and Prendergast Vale)
3. This year they achieved an 11% increase in their GCSE results from last year.
4. They have won a number of national and local awards
5. The pupils at the school are proud and happy to be PLFC students, they are working hard to build the reputaion of the school in the local area, this sort of sweeping and uninformed generalisation is incredibly negative and unhelpful.
I really don't understand why you feel that the school is so terrible, perhaps you should go for a visit and see for yourself?

Ian on the Hill said...

It finally came to me:
Like or Loampit.

Sorry.

flipper said...

Yes, very good - possibly for the whole development, not just the leisure bit. Though "Like IT or Loampit", surely?

Anonymous said...

How about the Slough of Despond?

Anonymous said...

The area just north of Loam Pitt Hole was called the Water Splash on a map of 1743 from the ideal-homes site. Seems appropriate for a swimming pool.

Tressilliana said...

Anonnona, I'm sorry you thought I was undermining PLFC as that wasn't my intention. I was responding to this comment from an Anon (20 October 2011 15:53):

'not one single protestor wanted an 'all through' school run by an organisation not controlled by the LA....'

I don't know if you were that Anon. I should have said that Lewisham *had* failed, not *has* failed, as I know that Prendergast has been running what was Crofton school for a while now. I'm attempting to say I think it's a good idea to put Prendergast and Aske's in charge of schools that Lewisham had not had much success in improving.

My children are just about grown up now so I'm going back a few years to when we were looking at secondary schools. They went to Gordonbrock and year after year back then year 6 dispersed to 20+ secondary schools. It would have been so much easier for all concerned if a big bunch of them had just transferred to their local secondary school, which for most of them was a short walk away. It always surprised me that Lewisham didn't try some sort of charm offensive with the parents of Gordonbrock and Stillness. If they could have got a good-sized group of those parents to choose Crofton it would have made all the difference to the intake and in the fullness of time to the exam results. I'm heartened to hear that re-branding the school as a Prendergast College is indeed making a difference.

NAT said...

Now that it's been given a name (or maybe a working title?) acording to Ian on the Hill, what was the name that occured to BC (if they wanted the thing to be a hit)?

Brockley Nick said...

@NAT - See the headline.

NAT said...

Doh!

Louise said...

Has it opened?
Or does anybody know where to take your baby for a swim?

Brockley Nick said...

Not yet, but it's nearly ready

tamsin said...

Crystal Palace isn't too far away if you've got a car, and there are some useful buses. Where I always used to go with my children from babyhood up. Really good tuition for when they are older and fun having a picnic supper with the Sphinxes afterwards.

Louise said...

Thanks! Do you know if they have an opening date?

Hat Margolies said...

Forest Hill pools has a learner pool for little ones if wavelengths hasn't reopened the leisure pool yet.

Louise said...

Thanks. We don't have a car, but a busride is fine

Louise said...

Wavelengths is still closed. But I'll check out Forest Hill. Thanks!

tamsin said...

or train to (I think) East Penge - although that takes you in at the opposite end of the park from where the Sphinxes are.

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