Double Boost for Coulgate Street Vision

Unlikely to be buying a pint of milk - nose-to-tail vans take up parking spaces for potential shoppers

The campaign to turn Coulgate Street in to a pedestrian-friendly town centre for Brockley took two important steps forward at last night's Brockley Assembly.

Firstly, Cllr Dean Walton announced that the Mayor of Lewisham has asked officers to conduct a feasibility study for part-pedestrianisation, which would clear the street of commuter cars and free up the space for regular markets. The report will take approximately three months and a if the report recommends the project then it should go ahead.

Secondly, Peter Waterhouse, of Speedicars, spoke on behalf of Brockley traders and called for more short-term parking in both Coulgate Street and Brockley Road. In previous discussions about the future of Coulgate Street, readers have raised concerns that Speedicars would object to the plans, but Peter argued that parking restrictions would actually boost trade, as the experience in Honor Oak has shown.

Last night, Cllr Walton welcomed the news and urged BC readers to sign the Coulgate Street petition:

"The Mayor's decision is an important step in the process - it will be difficult for Lewisham Council to reject local people's views. The Mayor is aware of the views expressed at Brockley Assembly meetings and the more people who sign the petition now, the better."

Click here to sign the petition.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Where would people be able to see this petition If they didn't come on here.

Brockley Nick said...

They should come on here ;)

It's been reported in the paper and of course any site can link to the petition - it's not a Brockley Central petition, I'm just plugging it.

Anonymous said...

Oh ok.

Anonymous said...

I'm not clear what 'more short term parking' actually means? Can anyone elucidate? Is a CPZ being proposed around the station? We certainly need one, as it's increasingly hard for residents to find parking space in any of the streets around Brockley Station.

Brockley Nick said...

Not a CPZ, no. As the other article linked to from this piece have made clear.

Just in the key retail spots, you introduce parking limits of - for example - 1 hour. This means that someone who wants to park to do a bit of shopping can do so, but someone who wants to dump their car outside the station all day can't.

ie: Parking bays, not a CPZ

Peter made the point that there are cars on Brockley Road, right outside retailers, that are parked there for days or weeks at a time, which does nothing to help local shops or their customers.

Sevenoakser said...

Is it just me, or is anyone else not able to sign this? When I submit after entering name etc, I'm getting a message that there's "the website cannot display the page" due to a programming error. D'oh

b. said...

awesome.

Monkeyboy said...

Good to see Speedicars getting involved. I've always thought they were an under appreciated well run local bussiness. There was the great sign debate of '08 but let's not dwell!

ppp said...

For me and I reckon many others the issue of zero parking controls at Coulgate street is no brainer. People just and continue to take the p*ss. The fact that even Speedicars have clocked onto it and endorse some form of controls, just underlines that. I reckon the other side of the station with the rumoured Tesco express on the way should have controls too.

Brockley Nick said...

Re the Tesco rumours - does anyone know where these have come from? I looked in to it a while back, speaking to the developers who said that no deals have been done with any retailers. The site seems completely inappopriate for a Tesco of any sort - units too small, road access too poor, etc.

The Cat Man said...

I think the new block has the retail space flexible so you could increase/decrease each unit size. The whole size would be quite large.

Brockley Jon said...

Feel a bit pessimistic for saying this, but might as well throw it out there - could the reason why Speedicars are so keen be that they can nab all the newly freed spaces? Their cars move regularly enough that they can get round the 1 hour limit.

ppp said...

That is good point, but if the feasibility process is rigorous and thorough, a lot of attendant issues should be accounted for.

Its likely that a lot of the long stay parking from that area will be displaced to nearby street without controls. What do you do? I say introduce a residents permit scheme.

This needed to be talked out by all affected but this could really benefit all concerned...in time.

Anonymous said...

I agree with ppp... A residents parking system is going to have to be set up. Short term parking on Coulgate will just mean even more commuters park in Foxberry, Harcourt, Harefield, Cranfield and other nearby roads which are already full of commuters. And if it's bad now (which it is), how bad will it be when the ELL comes?

Anonymous said...

I agree with anonymous@20:15 and PPP. Nearby roads like Foxberry and Harefield are already full of cars left for the day by commuters, so some kind of residents' permit scheme would need to be set up to deter the cars displaced from Coulgate from parking there.

Brockley Nick said...

I think there are two separate issues.

Coulgate Street and the retail stretch of Brockley Road only accommodate a small number of cars. You could introduce parking restrictions to clear these areas of long-term parking and the displaced cars would make very little difference, when dispersed over the range of nearby roads. More to the point, I think it will discourage some people from parking near Brockley in the first place.

The question of whether we need a CPZ around Brockley Station anyway, in light of the wider parking issues, is a separate debate, I think.

Personally, I'd just like them to enforce the parking restrictions they do have, to stop cars parking on the pavement, parking across yellow lines, or sticking their cars and vans in to busy junctions and so on.

But I can create a Brockley CPZ discussion thread, if people want.

M said...

Oh God no. Cue 'Cars are bad' vs 'Cars are good' argument number 114.

Tamsin said...

No - the local authority screwing the residents v. caring and helpful regulation.

@ppp - people wont continue to take the p*ss for long. Once the wardens know there are detailed parking restrictions they will probably be round in swarms clocking up their capture rate.

Ed said...

The proposed scheme means local residents can't park there for more than the allowed time either. I prefer CPZ with priority for local residents. Main problem is park and riders who come to zone 2 to commute and the hire firm who park their crappy white vans there.

Tressillian James said...

Great idea to have parking so locals can shop - but I agree with Brockely John that I imagine the Speedicars guys would use the majority of these.

Also intersting to see that the photo caught someone taking the short -cut

Brockley Nick said...

@TJ - ha, hadn't noticed that!

As for Speedicars, it seems very sensible that there should be some dedicated taxi bays by the station. Better for Speedicars, better for station users.

Also, note that he was speaking on behalf of local traders and was therefore not purely representing the interests of his own business.

Anonymous said...

At the risk of going slightly off topic, what is with those Hire Vans mentioned by Ed. Surely you shouldn't be opperating a Van Hire business if you haven't got a yard? Those D&M jokers are taking liberties!!

ppp said...

I'd also consider introducing a business permit scheme. Respect to those in business, but you have to respect the residents and locals too and running a van hire in a street like Coulgate is well lacking in courtesy.

Headhunter said...

I applaud this. There's nothing worse than all those long term abandoned, slightly rusty white vans and trucks dumped by the station en masse. I have to ask though, why do locals need need parking by the station? If we're really keen on "locals" shopping nearby then why can't they walk? There aren't enough shops round there to require people to take cars to load up! I understand that local business Speedicars needs space for its taxis but other than that, lets ban cars from Coulgate St altogether and create space for people (remember people?) unless possibly if they're dropping someone with luggage or something off at the station. Why do "locals" need to drive to Coulgate Street to pick up a loaf of bread? Get them off their lazy backsides....

Tamsin said...

Some 20 minute bays perhaps? You make a good point about dropping or collecting people at and from the station with luggage. Also not all locals are so local as to be always walking. I've been glad to park a couple of times in Coulgate on my way home from work to drop things of on the Broca or Browns or buy some ice-cream.

Anonymous said...

HH, you really do come across as an insufferably self righteous man.

Reason said...

I'm a "person" abs currently have no trouble traversing Coulgate St whether it has cars on it or not. It's not either or, despite what Brockleys Mungleteriat might like you to think.

Anonymous said...

But you do seem to have problems forming a coherent sentence.

It's not 'either or', it's simply to make the street a little more usable. The traders seems to disagree with you, I'd put more weight on their opinion.

Get back to your Daily Mail, there's a good chap.

Headhunter said...

God made me righteous, anon. What can I say. We have a growing obesity problem in the UK, that's all I'm saying, why do people need to drive to Broca for a coffee?

love detective said...

"why do people need to drive to Broca for a coffee?"

paradoxically it's probably better for the environment for them to drive than walk given the high amount of emissions involved in producing the food that is required to replace the energy lost by walking

Tamsin said...

Because although I sometimes do the 45 minute walk to work at other times I drive, and it is nice to be able to stop off at the Broca and Browns on the way back.

Headhunter said...

OK, OK, if you're only stopping there on the way to somewhere else I'll let you off...

Tamsin said...

I am duly grateful and will now buy my ice-cream from Browns with a clear conscience...

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