Surrey Canal station will not be part of ELL2 opening

Mark from the Liberal Democrat London Assembly Group has been in touch concerning the proposed station at Surrey Canal on the Clapham Junction extension of the East London Line, due to open in 2012.

During yesterday's meeting of the London Assembly Transport Committee, Geoff Hobbs, Head of Strategy of London Rail explained that the project has now gone beyond the point at which Surrey Canal could be completed in time for the line's opening in two years and that they had not had any indication from the DfT that the required £7m would be forthcoming. In response to a question by the LibDems' Caroline Pidgeon, he said:

"We've heard absolutely nothing from them and in the mean time, the project has to push on in terms of its detailed design, with just the passive provision of the station.

"We can always add the station later."

They also discussed the possibility of a station at Brixton, which they said would cost about £40m, making it a poor proposition in terms of value for money, although they acknowledged that it would be a "key traffic generator" (ie: useful and popular).

38 comments:

david said...

Brixton, key traffic generator - also a key interchange you'd have thought!

And Surry Canal Road - so if I undertand the money was promised but now that the rest has been found the original promise seems not to be being honoured?

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Anonymous said...

This is clearly not great for the people who live around that (very grotty) part of town and they really could have used a shot in the arm in terms of regeneration - for the rest of us, I imagine the outcome has little effect apart from a slightly quicker journey time to Clapham.

Anonymous said...

deptford is facing the demolition of its existing station for a new one built in glass. it is not wanted. does this money come from the same budget as the east london line sation for surrey canal? you want a station you can't have we have to have a station we neither want nor need.

Brockley Nick said...

Why isn't it wanted?

Anonymous said...

How about incorporating nunhead?

Brockley Nick said...

How about incorporating Victoria!?

Anonymous said...

Good call, lets start the campaign!

Or Elephant and Castle?

James said...

Deptford station is wanted by me. The current one could do with a sprucing up, but the best part of the station rebuilding would be opening up the area next to the station and utilising the railway arches there. The architecture of the actual station however is a bit rubbish.

The prices quoted are very high though. Surely these stations can be built for less. The need to have lots of cctv, accessible this and that, just means they are delayed for a long time or not built at all.

Tommo said...

A station at Brixton would be especially difficult to build, given its location high up on railway bridges - hence the high cost I suppose.
Without a station at Brixton the whole ELL2 project seems a bit pointless. Can't see the ELL2 trains being heavily utilised for a good few years without one.

Brockley Nick said...

@Tommo - yes, although Clapham Junction's useful. I think the point about ELL2 is that it's cheap as chips to do, so why not?

Tommo said...

Clapham Junction is useful but maybe not for people's daily commute. By the time you've taken a train from say Peckham to Clapham Junction and then the train into Waterloo you'd have been better off on a direct train to Victoria or London Bridge.

Fair point that it's cheap to do as most of it is already there.

Headhunter said...

There used to be a station at Brixton on the line that will become ELL phase 2 I think. It was called East Brixton station.

Monkeyboy said...

Sigh..... Stations are not just another building that happen to be next to a railway. £10m would have been a bargain, hard to fathom I know but railways cost.

Does make you realise just how easy it is for incomming administrations to renage on funding comitments. Gordonbrok anyone?

Lou Baker said...

@nick

You're right - this project is cheap as chips.

Without a Victoria line interchange at Brixton ELL2 is useless.

It actually leaves most stations on the route with a WORSE service than they have now.

The whole project demonstrates the contempt those in authority hold towards commuters.

Anonymous said...

Lets be thankful that the Ell extension to Brockley was conceived and built under one government. Who knows what would have happened if the Tories had won the previous election.

Anonymous said...

How likely is a route to Brixton then?

Headhunter said...

I agree, an ELL2 interchange at Brixton to the Victoria Line would have been very useful and logical and would have gone some way to compensate people living in Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye etc for the loss of their direct trains to London Bridge and Victoria. Seems a strange ommission.

Tamsin said...

Just an excuse - if I have read things right the DfT under the previous administration had to have it's arm twisted to breaking point before conceding that the folk in Surrey Canal Road did actually deserve to have some connection to the transport link being driven right through their patch. You can't blame the incoming government - its the civil servants, having reluctantly agreed, now putting it forward as the first sacrificial lamb in the cuts that all acknoweldge are needed.

Agree with Anon. - why waste money on a rebuild of an adequate if rather grotty exisitng station - if it means cutting plans for a new facility. And to say that the station can be slotted in later is nonsence - so much easier and cheaper to do it as the line is being built. Imangine the disruption and logistic difficulties of building a station around an existing service.

mb said...

Lou, previously you claimed that the ELL was over priced, make up your mind. And completley useless? Not if you want to go to the destinations on it, which many people do. It's of no use to you, not the same thing.

It is, however, of use to me so I gurss we cancel each other out?

Anonymous said...

This is irritating. The Sanford cooperative (www.sanford.coop) suffered these works our back garden for ages, was promised this station, now won't get it because of a straight-up reneging. This new station would have been right around the corner from the Millwall stadium (so we might not have roads fill up with pedestrian skinheads marching up from New Cross or down from canada water/surrey quays) and cars, each and every match day. They didn't widen the narrow road tunnels and traffic through them gets so bad you can't push a bike through on matchdays. Heaven forbid Millwall get promoted and turnouts increase.

That, plus you have the 'murder half mile' estate crying out for a bit of gentrification, and no/rubbish local shops anywhere around here, and really, this is a bit of a kick in the balls really.

Anonymous said...

Look on the bright side. You've got a Greggs.

Anonymous said...

One hot mungbean slice please!

Anonymous said...

I think the harsh fact is that for many months under the last Government the Department of Transport dithered on this issue. Funding for the station should have been confirmed back in January or February if it was to be built and ready for the opening of the second phase of the ELL.

For a full account of this whole saga see:

http://londonreconnections.blogspot.com/search/label/surrey%20canal%20road

Monkeyboy said...

Much as dislike the current incumbents I suspect that the DfT under lord Adonis would have canned it as well.

mljay said...

There are PLENTY of people who would like to move between Lewisham/ Brockley/ HOP to Brixton judging by how well utilised the buses are.

Not everybody just wants to go into the city and back out.

A way to cross South London without having to go into Central London is great.

I for one would love to see a train to Brixton to make it easier to visit friends there and in Clapham/ Wandsworth, without having to go to London Bridge or Waterloo.

Anonymous said...

Lou/Headhunter et al. Not that I'm accusing anyone one having a overly-Brockleycentric view, but mayve the value of the ELL2 is for transporting people who live in Clapham/Denmark Hill etc to work in the City/Docklands, rather than just giving SE Londonites more places to go and visit.
And as I understand it, Peckham Rye will not lose services to London Bridge, what they lose is the direct service to Victoria, albeit with service (hopefully) staggered to give only a short interchange at Denmark Hill.

Unfortunately for SCS, I seem to remember previous quotes that this is a "now or never" situation - if they don't build it as part of ELL2 it'll be prohibitively expensive.

Deptford Dame said...

The improvements proposed for Deptford station are wanted by many, and are not merely decorative. Having a single entrance and lifts to both platforms will improve security and accessibility as anyone who has had to carry a bike/pushchair/suitcase up the very steep stairs, or wanted to use the station in a wheelchair will attest.

Tamsin said...

But if Surrey Canal Road is "only" short £7m could you have the lifts and access improvements without the glass and architecture and spare £10m for those around the Den?

Lou Baker said...

@ anon 1358

Peckham Rye and Denmark Hill will lose services to London Bridge as a result of the ELL2 project.

Denmark Hill loses all its London Bridge trains - Peckham Rye loses two per hour.

Even worse Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street lose ALL their central London services completely.

Don't get me wrong I think a link to Clapham Junction is useful - and I think it's great there will be a direct link from that part of town to Docklands.

However it should not be done at the expensive of central London trains unless sufficient steps are taken to mitigate that loss. A station at Brixton would help as it would provide an easy connect to central London services.

As proposed this is a line without any tube connections - and few decent rail ones. That's the problem.

Anonymous said...

love the Overland to Canada water....

Dont love watching about 15 jubilee trains go by before I can get on to go to Canary Wharf....

Lou Baker said...

Have just taken the hulking orange beast for the first time since the full line opened.

First train cancelled, second train late.

It is indeed tube like.

Anonymous said...

I feel so disappointed for the people who live around Surrey canal road who were hoping for this station. They have truly suffered for the last 3-4 years as the ELL was being extended. I used to work in the area and the roads were constantly being closed. There is a new contemporary depot there but there won't be a station! this is so typical, the less affluent areas don't stand a chance.

Deptford dame said...

@tamsin the entrance to the station is also being relocated about 30m west to enable the new station to be built while the old station is still in use, and also to open up the square at the side of the station to make retention of the listed carriage ramp a viable possibility. I have no idea how the costs break down but the contract for the upgrade of Deptford station is only £7m in total.

Anonymous said...

"As proposed this is a line without any tube connections" Are you reading the same map as the rest of us? The ELL is the orange one.

Anonymous said...

Actually for the ELL2 you're right. I'll get my coat....

Anonymous said...

ELL2 is only an extension, the trains will still stop at stations with other tube lines.

Anonymous said...

The Surrey Canal station will *only* cost £7 million? That is a piddling amount in today's public building terms. I live near the proposed site and would love having a station there not just for my own transport, but hopefully having far fewer Millwall and opponent team fans parking their cars in my street on match days :-)

Also there is a wide cycle/pedestrian path running down Surrey Canal Road. Really crowded on match days. Impossible to cycle there.

I understand that there is going to be a meeting with transport people and Lewisham Council (? thought it was located in the next borough) to see about affording the station. This is probably a face-saving exercise. The Council people and TfL (et al) will sit around and listen to a few reasons, and nod "no".

The longer they wait, the higher the building price will go. Why not tack it onto the end of the program while the work teams are still around.

Anonymous said...

I think the DfT are the peeps holding back the funding. I'm not hopeful, no one out side the imediate area has any interest in the station so an easy 7m to trim.

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