General Election 2010: Decision Day liveblog

Click here to read the Q&As of 8 Lewisham candiates in today's election.

01.34 Update
BK: I'm going to start a new thread for the nightshift - anyone else who's still up, feel free to shift debate over to there.


01.34 Update
Brockley Kate checking in here ... Looks as though the first surge of results is starting to kick off.
What a bunch of tits in the background at Gordon Brown's count. What's with the sunglasses and the salute?!

01.21 Update

As we go to sleep, Tories are racking up big swings that will avoid a hung parliament if replicated nationally, though nowhere near the 18.72% needed to unseat Joan Ruddock.

Angelofthewest sends us this link to the BBC report of voting taking place in Brockley as late as 10.30pm.

00.57 Update

BN: Tum-te-tum. Quite hard this rolling news stuff. Maureen Lipman's just been as useful as ever on BBC One. Muttering something about how Winston Churchill must be turning in his grave that the British public had the temerity to find the TV debates pretty useful. Dreadful woman.

Paxman's obviously run out of questions and just keeps asking how Libs could justify propping up a Labour government against the evident wish of the British people. Easy answer: they wouldn't be, they'd be forming a new type of government which would very likely have a bigger proportion of the vote than Labour did last time.

Again on Twitter, Cllr Luxton says of the Manwood Road polling chaos: "Over 100 voters queuing round block and being turned away by police."

Kate will be along soon, hopefully!

23.41 Update

BN: BC Twitter pal @cedrichampton reports that "Friend of mine on Salehurst Road said he waited 2hrs at Manwood Rd this evening, the crowd's mood got ugly at 9.45." Police reportedly called to the station. Ugliness not connected to the Gordonbrock rebuild, to our knowledge.

23.30 Update

BN: Everyone on BBC very excited about size of Tory swing in first two Labour wins, but if you're in a massively safe seat, the temptation to protest-vote must be great.

23.09 Update

BN: Exit poll revision gives Tories even fewer seats with 305, Labour 255, LD 61, Others 29. Our own exit poll currently puts Greens and Libs neck and neck in the lead with 33% and 31% respectively.

23.06 Update

BN: BBC reporting Lewisham polling station confusion - staying open after the official closing time, to allow queuing people to vote.

22.02 Update

BN: Exit poll say a hung Parliament is on its way. Tories getting 307, Labour 255, Lib Dems 59, Others 29. Woop!

21.19 Update

BN: The Guardian's London blogger is impressed by the liveblog and more importantly, by the savagery of Brockley Central reader comments, quoting some choice views about Joan Ruddock.

20.18 Update

BN: We've just added an "exit poll" to the site, so you can tell us which party attracted most of your vote today, at Mayoral, Council and MP level. Not very scientific, but what the hell. Please vote now.

19.12 Update

BN: Just back and off to vote. On way home spotted Labour activists doing a last minute sweep of Telegraph Hill's Gellatly Road.

16.45pm Update


Just over five hours left to get your vote in. Let's look at some odds from Ladbrokes (editor's note: Other betting firms are available, this does not constitute a commercial endorsement). They put Joan Ruddock's chances of winning back her seat as 1/66, with the Greens and Lib Dems both at 12/1.

The race is slightly tighter over in Lewisham East, with Labour favourites at 1/4 facing a challenge from the Lib Dems at 5/2.

15.15pm Update


Looking ahead to this evening, here are your vital timings. Brockley Nick will be with you through the early shift, while Brockley Kate gets some kip. She'll then be joining you from midnight onwards to host the nightowls' commentary. If you're planning to stay up late and watch the coverage, do join us and chip in with your thoughts. We'd particularly welcome comments from anyone at the Lewisham count.

According to the Press Association, the Lewisham constituencies aren't due to declare until 6am, so it's going to be a long night for some ...

12.03pm Update


Journalism.co.uk today examines the impact of hyperlocal sites on the general election coverage landscape, giving Brockley Central an opportunity to pat itself on the back for being so clever:

In south east London, community site Brockley Central can happily co-exist with bigger news groups, says co-editor Nick Barron. The site gets "some traffic and credibility" as one of the sites aggregated by the Guardian in its coverage of London politics...

"I think the key difference is that I am not writing dispassionately about the community I cover - Brockley Central is part-campaign group, part-community forum and part-news outlet. Many of my stories come from readers themselves, who probably feel they have a stake in the site and a relationship with me as the editor that they don't have with their local newspaper reporter..."

Read more here if you can stomach it.

Introduction
 
Well, BC has played its tiny part in the democratic process and all we can do now is to sit back and wait for the results. That and talk a lot of hot air, of course. To facilitate this latter aim we've decided - for the first time in the site's history! - to set up a liveblogging thread to follow events through the day and provide a convenient place for people to engage in never-ending political arguments. Aren't you all lucky ...


- You don't need a polling card in order to vote, as long as you're registered to vote. Simply go along to your local polling station.

- To find out where your local polling station is, contact Lewisham Council's electoral services department on 020 8314 6086.

- If you don't know whether you're registered to vote, contact Lewisham Council's electoral services department on 020 8314 6086.

- There are three elections taking place today in Lewisham: for councillors, for the directly-elected Mayor, and for MP. Each ballot paper is a different colour. Each one tells you at the top how many votes you have: in the local council elections, you can vote for up to 3 people; in the Mayoral election, you can select your first-choice vote AND your second-choice vote; in the Parliamentary election you can vote for just one person.

- European voters are eligible to vote in the local council elections, but NOT the Parliamentary election. Therefore don't be surprised when you aren't given all 3 ballot papers.

Let the arguing begin...

83 comments:

Wishful thinking said...

And where is the party tonight should Bullock get ousted?

Anonymous said...

For someone fairly new to the area (voted elsewhere in the last election), can someone give me a quick bullet point synopsis of why Joan Rudduck is so crap?

It will then be all the sweeter if her reign of terror comes to an end because I will know the depths of her depravity...

It's a shame said...

Why is Joan Ruddock so crap - because a) she wears leather gloves to shake hand siwth the public on a warm spring day - and I'm not accepting the 'fashionista' argument; b) she calls the recent shootings 'cultural' and tells us not to worry because 'Operation Trident always gets them' c) she has little real interest in community affairs and d) she is a politician who doesn't follow her beliefs if it will get in the way of her career.

Is that enough?

Anonymous said...

Because the last thing we need is another Labour monkey running the Borough!

Anonymous said...

Wishful thinking - because of the general election, votes for Mayor and Ward councillors won't be counted until Friday afternoon/evening so you need to keep that bottle of champagne on ice just a little longer.

Anonymous said...

Well, that opens the possibility of a weekend-long party if we have a change of administration in Lewisham. :)

sevenoakser said...

How dodgy - I am not eligible to vote in Parliamentary elections as I'm Australian, but they still gave me a ballot paper for it! I argued but they told me they had to, as I was registered ... even though registration obviously incorrect. So I just chucked my vote away. But quite shocking.

Anonymous said...

Voted. Shame I couldnt vote in the nationals but at least had my say in the local elections.

Mayor: Blue (2nd choice Orange)
Councillers : 3x Green
Live in Ladywell

Anonymous said...

@sevenoakser...

You can still vote you flaming galah!

"Qualifying Commonwealth citizens are Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK who are entitled to register to vote provided that they also fulfil the age requirement for registration and are not subject to any other legal incapacity. Citizens of the following countries meet the nationality criteria to register in respect of all elections"

Anonymous said...

@sevenoakser..

You can still vote, you flaming galah!

"Qualifying Commonwealth citizens are Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK who are entitled to register to vote provided that they also fulfil the age requirement for registration and are not subject to any other legal incapacity. Citizens of the following countries meet the nationality criteria to register in respect of all elections"

Sevenoakser said...

Oh, thanks Anonymous! Had no idea - I thought I was able to vote in local elections only. How very odd that I am allowed. Doesn't seem quite right really.

Bea said...

Probably harks back to the day of Empire and a pink map ...

Headhunter said...

The Evening Standard website analysis of London Boroughs describes Lewisham Deptford (my constituency) as a "virtually impregnable Labour stronghold".... Joan Ruddock has been in power here since 1992 or something. I feel so impotent to affect change...

Sevenoakser said...

Must be. Geez.

Monkeyboy said...

You can vote here if I get a chance to vote
the next time the Aussies have a referendum on the monarchy. Let's just say me and the saxe-coburg gothas don't see eye to eye.

Sevenoakser said...

We'll ship you over for next vote on monarchy, MB. There'll be one soon. Whole country still seething that vast majority wanted to end monarchy, but snivelling Govt in charge at the time of the referendum didn't put Do You Want To End Monarchy on referendum as it would have passed by a mile. Instead they asked people if they wanted a certain presidential system which was unpopular and they knew it ... so lots of people who wanted out of monarchy couldn't bring themselves to vote for a poor presidential model... and voila, as they way in Wangaratta. I'm still spewin.

Anonymous said...

Whichever way you vote, don't vote Mung.

use your vote! said...

However impregnable a particular politician's position appears to be, it's important to vote against them if you feel that way. At least then we all get to see how much opposition there is to them - and it might encourage more opposition in the future.

david said...

@ Sevenoakser
As another Aussie it does seem odd that we can vote in teh parliamentary (or in fact at all) elections here but hey ho, if I'm allowed to I will :)

@ MB
Why would we let you English / Britsh types vote in an Australian election - when you're not Australian?

And between the 2 responses I get a small (very nerdy) feeling that by voting today I've somehow managed to stick it to the man. Small joys in life huh.

Nylon Cube said...

I believe Goldsmiths Student Union is having an all night election party, showing the coverage with £1.50 drinks.

See you there!

Lou Baker said...

We should all feel thoroughly disenfranchised.

There has been no campaigning of note here. Not a single candidate for any of the elections knocked on my door during the campaign.

Most of the leaflets I received were the ones the post office delivers for free. There was not a single extra one from the Tories or Lib Dems. Labour managed one extra as did the independent candidate and the Socialists.

The Socialists were also the only ones outside the polling station today.

The others - including Ruddock - just haven't bothered. No
wonder she feels she can ignore constituents who write to her. She can - no one can do anything about it.

The reality is that this election is all about a few thousand swing voters in a hundred or so marginal seats. The remaining 60 million of us don't count.

It's a sad day for democracy and I'm thoroughly ashamed to be British.

Brockley Nick said...

@Lou - perhaps it's different in New Cross, but in the centre of Brockley, you can hardly move for campaigning politicians. I've had leaflets through my door from all the major parties and LPBP and every time I walk down the street, I see Darren Johnson bicycling around in his green tie. The tories spent a few days driving around shouting out of a megaphone and all of the main candidates have taken part in a range of hustings, including of course, those on here.

Andy Endwell said...

Well I echo the experience of Lou. Joan Ruddock should be ashamed of herself - an utterly usless constituency MP. It seems to me that all the local politicians take the local electorate for granted and treat us with sublime indifference.

Monkeyboy said...

@lou, agree about the direction being decided in a few constiuencies. That's what the first past the post system does, a hung parliment with the lib dems insisting on electoral reform could work. Also not convinced by the leaflet argument, all that information and more is a click away. The fact that you post hear proves that.

Ruddock has written to me twice as has lord Adonis (or at least his minion) so it may just be you ;-)

at least you're not Greek eh?

Mb said...

@David.... Because we used to own Australia.

Anonymous said...

@monkeyboy Why the f88k was Lord Adonis writing to you?
I'm jealous now ...

Headhunter said...

I've had several letters from Ruddock, 1 or 2 from Adonis and I think 1 from Boris at 1 point re the rail cuts to Charing X etc. They weren't personal missives or anything, just standard letters essentially saying hard luck re Charing X but looky looky, you can go to Dalston instead!

Monkeyboy said...

He was telling me that the trains were fine and to stop complaining about reductions and anyway it's all TfLs fault.

Anonymous said...

Oh right, I feel left out now. Clearly I should have harrassed him more ...

Anonymous said...

Well here are my conclusions:

Lewisham Deptford

Labour--what this area needs is public spending, and lots of it, added to which Joan Ruddock is by a very long way the most competent of the candidates. Prediction: Labour.

Lewisham Mayor (Alternative Vote)

1. Green 2. Lib Dem. Lewisham Council clearly needs a change. Prediction: Lib Dem (likely to get in on the second preferences).

Crofton Park Ward

3x Green. Green councillors have done a good job in neighbouring wards, and there hasn't been much sign of action from our Labour incumbents. Prediction: 3x Labour, possibly 3 x Green.

Overall Predictions

A Conservative Government with an overall majority of in single figures. You tend to get the most Tory-friendly outcome that is consistent with the polling evidence or, which is the same thing, the British electorate (those who actually vote) is basically conservative and will vote Conservative if it possibly can.

And given the amount of stuff they've put through my door, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lib Dems in court for exceeding their spending limit.

I still think the best point made in the local campaign is the following from Gemma Townsend in the virtual hustings here:

4. What will your top priority for Lewisham Deptford be and what are you going to do about it?

Education. I want parents to stay in Lewisham as their family grows and not feel that moving is the only option for decent secondary education.

Although it doesn't affect me, that's certainly something I've wondered about over the 13 years I've lived here.

david said...

@MB - "used to" is important in this context (and it still doesn't make sense that we can "come back" here and vote while still not being a citizen but not vice versa - not that you being able to vote there without being a citizen makes sense to me either mind you).

@Lou - I'm on Telegraph Hill and I'd echo the nobody's made any effort sentiment/experience. I'm happy to do without the pamphlets as (as someone else said) that all can be found on-line but it seems that while BN was swimming through candidtates on his morning round climbing the Hill was too much for them. Oh - I did get a letter from Sir Steve and then one saying almost exactly the same things from Joan R but neither had anything to do with what they planned/wanted but simply trotted out the Labour/Labor(?) is good for you lines. So spectacular indifference to the electorate from all parties then.

david said...

@MB - "used to" is important in this context (and it still doesn't make sense that we can "come back" here and vote while still not being a citizen but not vice versa - not that you being able to vote there without being a citizen makes sense to me either mind you).

@Lou - I'm on Telegraph Hill and I'd echo the nobody's made any effort sentiment/experience. I'm happy to do without the pamphlets as (as someone else said) that all can be found on-line but it seems that while BN was swimming through candidtates on his morning round climbing the Hill was too much for them. Oh - I did get a letter from Sir Steve and then one saying almost exactly the same things from Joan R but neither had anything to do with what they planned/wanted but simply trotted out the Labour/Labor(?) is good for you lines. So spectacular indifference to the electorate from all parties then.

Anonymous said...

There were conservatives, labour, green & socialists representatives at the polling station by telegraph hill park this morning...

love detective said...

the only activity round my way have been from the bi-polar liberal democrats who always seem to have a fairly brutally efficient campaign and organisational ability - which is the same at any election here - labour take the vote for granted and tories and greens know they are wasting their time so don't bother either

Anonymous said...

I was pretty impressed by the level of engagement from the main political parties this time round - far more than in the last couple of sets of elections locally.

I had leaflets from them all, plus personal visits from Darren Johnson and a Labour canvasser. I saw Gemma Townsend, Dean Walton and Joan Ruddock out & about canvassing at various times. All 4 main parties, plus the socialists from Telegraph Hill ward, have leafletted Brockley Station multiple times. The People Not Profit guy was at the train station last night.
If there was one party I'd say I'd have like to have seen more of, it's the Lib Dems - but then, they may have called while I was out, I just don't know. So sorry Lib Dems if I missed you!

All in all, a reasonable effort from all sides, I'd say.

(Joan Ruddock's performance as our elected representative is quite a separate issue).

The Cat Man said...

I live in the middle bit of telegraph hill ward 'west brockley' had an annoying labour candidate at the polling station who looked about 16 (bless...). No one else though, but I have had tons of leaflets from green, labour, conservative, lib dem, socialist parties. Telegraph hill always returned socialist councillors, I'm hoping that will change - I voted 3 x green, they are by far the best on local issues - I have seen Darren Johnson out and about on a number of early mornings campaigning.

I also voted lib dem for the mp ( best chance of ousting Joan) and green first, lib dem second for mayor (assumption there that green will not get in but want to show my support)

Tamsin said...

It's a matter of being around when they call. Labour, Tories and Green were all around at the last Farmers Market on Telegraph Hill, the whole are was split street by street for John Hamilton's supporters with door-stepping tasks, and we had the Socialist Alternative calling by. They have hired a small room in the Telegraph Hill Centre as their HQ and have been there,it seems, daily for the past month

The only people I have been totally unware of are the Lib Dems.


David Cameron garnered himself some headlines by going without sleep for 24 hours or whatever - but when I spoke to Gemma Townsend after the Pensioners Forum Hustings early last week she was even then getting by on just 4 hours a night.

Tressilliana said...

We've had leaflets from everyone except the English Democats and the BNP. Only person who knocked on the door when we were in was a Green canvasser a few weeks back.

My daughter is just 18 and going to vote for the first time this evening. She got an 18th birthday card from Lewisham Council urging her to use her vote, which I thought was a nice touch, and a letter ostensibly from Joan Ruddock which said rather oddly 'Your name has just appeared on the electoral register so you must have moved into the neighhourhood. Allow me to introduce myself...' Not much thought gone into the standard wording there!

Hugh said...

I voted Lib Dem across the board. Let's consign Labour to the circus (you know, where clowns live).

Hugh said...

Does anyone here bother reading people's lengthier entries setting out their views/spleen? I don't.

Headhunter said...

I've had crap loads of leaflets but I'm out a lot so if they've called they probably missed me. Colleague who lives in Camberwell & Southwark next to me said that Harriet Harman, her MP, was outside Denmark Hill talking to commuters on the way to work this morning.

Anonymous said...

Seems all politicians are visible come Election time.

love detective said...

"Harriet Harman"

sexist

should be Harriet Harperson thank you

Anonymous said...

Darren Johnson phoned us last night and was really nice when I said that only voting green locally. That was the second call I have had from the Greens. I have been quite shocked that although I have emailed Ms Ruddock on various subjects she did not even send a personal email to me for support. What are the queues like a the polling stations?

Tamsin said...

No queue at all when I called in - but I suppose it depends. Will probably be quite busy between 6 and 7.30 as people vote on their way back from work.

I'm clearly conservative with a small "c". I cordially dislike the new-look plastic polling-booths. I concede that they are smaller, lighter, easier to carry and store and don't give the staff splinters but they are not nearly so nice to use as the wooden ones. They are really tacky and wobbly and as a user you feel much more exposed.

Monkeyboy said...

I'm selling my vote.... Bidding starts at £10

Monkeyboy said...

I'm selling my vote.... Bidding starts at £10

Brockley Customer said...

If it's an organic vote and it comes in a twee jar, you've got yourself a sale, sir.

Anonymous said...

In recent years at local level a number of Chief Executives have departed due to personal differences with their elected collegues.

If Lewisham did change colour is it likely there will follow changes at the top in the executive?

name said...

Oh dear, a Lib dem blog ad on here. Tories have taken over Youtube.

Lou Baker said...

Certainly I think the three main parties should be thoroughly ashamed of the campaign they've run around here.

It's disturbing to know my experience of absolute nothingness electioneering-wise on Telegraph Hill is the norm.

I'm also amazed at how little the candidates bother to interact with their voters on blogs like this one. This is where important local issues are raised and, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I've seen no input from any of the parliamentary candidates at all.

Yes they took part in the virtual hustings but they all gave stock answers.

Still, if the opinion polls are right we'll all get the chance to vote again in about six months time. Probably.

Monkeyboy said...

Bikes parked outside Dean & Darren's house like Spitfires at dawn. Never has so much been owed etc.....

Tamsin said...

To give them the benefit of the doubt there are rules about what they can and cannot do - particularly in the election period.

Tressilliana said...

Bit of a queue at St Andrew's just now (5.30) but moving well.

Bea said...

Hope to vote this evening when I get back from work - with luck that'll be around 20:30 (but if the boss keeps me here more likely to be around 21.30 with 30 minutes spare before they close!).

Intention is to vote Lib Dem for MP, Lib Dem for mayor (followed by Green) and Green for local Councilors.

And this is frighteningly similar to Cat Man’s vote (whose views on foreigners I am so not in agreement with).

Lou Baker said...

@tamsin

Expressing your view and interacting with constituents is not against the rules of what you can do during an election campaign. It's the very point of an election campaign.

Brockley Nick said...

Quite

monkeyboy said...

did anyone see the BNP puch up on the BBC...

BNP man (their 'London Organiser')to asian teenagers: "how many of you are robbers"

Predictably a fight breaks out. Can you believe that these guys claim to be a credible, civilised political party?

love detective said...

member of a civilised political party

monkeyboy said...

really not in the same league. Prescott didn't holler racist abuse at a passer by

Anonymous said...

That BNP scrap was disgraceful - I hope he gets prosecuted.

I voted Lib Dem for parliament, Green first and John Hamilton second for mayor (surprised myself, was going to put Lib Dem second until I got in the booth), and Green Green Green for the council.

love detective said...

"really not in the same league. Prescott didn't holler racist abuse at a passer by"

not saying it is, just mocking the idea that if a party acts 'civilised' on the surface then they are deemed to be 'accepted' as normal and fit for governing society- look at the amount of blood on respectable labour's hands for example - yet as long as they don't act thug like on the street that's ok (and even if they do it's ok as well!)

Monkeyboy said...

Well can't see Gordon brown launching a trident at Belgium 'cos they look at him funny, nick on the otherhand....

Aricana said...

I've seen representatives of all parties in West Brockley but meeting them (as nice as they were) made no difference to how i voted. It is their values and policies that count not their personalities!

name said...

For me also, I voted for the party that prioritised economic recovery.

Anonymous said...

wake me up when all of this is over and we can go back to talking about house prices and lattes....

Tressilliana said...

A Green Party canvasser actually knocked on the door an hour or two ago to make sure we'd voted!

patrick1971 said...

The LibDems have certainly put in a huge effort around Crofton Park. One's just rung me up now, at half past nine, to make sure I voted. Loads of leaflets, good use of Twitter, and out and about on the streets. I really hope they win here; I know it's unlikely, but Labour are in such low esteem there is an outside chance...

Proud2b English said...

House prices, thems a bit pricey aint they. Lattes taste nice with milk in it, innit. BNP and english demmocrats are cool. Masive respect2them brothers. I hope theys get countsellers in and stuff. Down with politikal corectnes gone mad, innit.

Marmoset said...

Down in Deptford, the Ruddock campaign has been a bit 2-speed. It started with a very complacent ''this is what I've done'' approach.

But after a quiet interval, she seems to have had a sudden burst of Deptford canvassing. She even climbed the stairs to the 4th floor on my block a couple of days ago and there have been almost daily leaflets.

I don't really understand the tactical thinking. She's never bothered here before and I thought it was just business as usual. So why the sudden concentration on this part of town and, from comments above, an apparent disappearance around Telegraph Hill?

Anonymous said...

Have been pondering a while on the subject of a 'hung parliament'. How 'hung' can a parliament be... well hung? To borrow from the vernacular, a 'well hung' parliament would be full of, well big penises. How fitting the phrase. What if through revolutionary zeal the public mob were to lynch their useless parliamentarians - a well hanged parliament? In conclusion MP should stand (or hang) for massive (there are 2 's's, for the attention of 'Proud2b english') penis.

P.S. I for one am looking forward to the first ever green seat in parliament!

Anonymous said...

Brockley Polling stations or at least one had an extension to 22.30.

Anonymous said...

re 2306 update: not just Lewisham, the BBC is reporting that it's a polling station in Brockley that was kept open to 2230. SE4 striking a blow for democracy?

Tressilliana said...

Press Association reports that police called to polling station in Manwood Road because people were angry at the long queues - that would be Prendergast Ladywell Fields College, I suppose.

monkeyboy said...

well i suppose according to the letter of the law you could mount a challange to void the result? It's not on really, I'm moving to Italy - maybe a little more stable there.

Anonymous said...

first time ever had to queue at little gems polling station 7pm.

feel sorry for the buggers turned way across the country.

Now Then said...

Yes but its the polling stations that allowed late voting who's results will be up for challenge unfortunately. Rules and all that.

neanderthal d said...

The seats where people have been denied the chance of voting, or have opened late to allow voting could all be challenged.

This will add to "The Uncertainty", which as we all know, the Bond Markets simply abhor. So they will reluctantly have to increase the interest rates they charge the UK Govt to assuage their doubts - this will make the Bond Markets feel a lot better.

This is my interpretation of events based on the reasons that nice David Cameron chap gave for a hung parliament being a jolly bad thing.

Anonymous said...

Run out of ballot paper.... time we go digital....

Anonymous said...

I'll be bloody annoyed if our votes were contested here in brockley. The worse case scenario a default conservative MP; all thanks to Lewisham's most punctual of Tory voters.

angelofthewest said...

BBC reports on police at Brockley polling station

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/england/8662185.stm

super-pen-ultimate paragraph (third from the end, to you and me)

Jo said...

Whitefoot result:
Pattison (Lib Dem), Foreman (Lib Dem) and Daby (Labour) are elected.

Tamsin said...

@ Angel of the West. Back to the normal business of pedantry. "Ante-penultimate" as in the Michael Flanders lyric...

"Then she recalled what her mother had said/ With her ante-penultimate breath/ 'My dear, should you look on the wine that is red/ Be prepared for a fate worse than death'."

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