Police.uk crime map launches - Breakspears Road breaks in to top 10 streets for burglary

The website Police.uk launched today, with the aim of providing people with accurate local information about crime in their area. People interested to know about levels of reported crime on their street or neighbourhood can search by postcode and see the results mapped and broken down by type of crime.


Currently, the only results available are for December 2010, which is not a terribly useful snapshot and we're not sure what we learned by searching the SE4 results [see above], other than that crime levels are "above average" for England and Wales, which we imagine applies to just about every inner London post code.

The site also provides details of local neighbourhood policing teams and crime prevention events in the area.

Presumably the site will become a more useful tool as more data is added over time, although ultimately, it relies on the authorities being persuaded to do something about trouble spots identified.

UPDATE: As pointed out by a reader, the Daily Mail has done some digging and claims that Breakspears Road was the 7th-most-burgled street in the country in December 2010. The area experienced a burglary spree late last year.

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Searching Lewisham produced this result....

Sorry, we couldn't find a policing area that matched your search.

Lou Baker said...

When it comes to crime there is no such thing as a problem location.

There are problem people.

A location can not break the law.

Whilst knowing where the problem people go is a useful tool, it does not stop them being a problem.

To have a real long term impact on crime we have to stop problem people becoming a problem in the first place.

You do this by improving education, tackling feckless fathers and ineffective mothers, ensuring everyone can read, reintroducing a form of national service (non military) to instill discipline, legalising drugs and sending children in care to the best fee paying schools and top universities.

This requires a huge initial investment but will eventually save money as you'll need fewer police, prison places - and there will be less demand on the courts, social services and NHS.

So this little mapping exercise really misses the point.

Brockley Jon said...

Didn't we already have crime maps for London, on a different site? How does this one differ? I'd find out for myself but the site is buckling under the traffic from Brockley Central.

Brockley Nick said...

@Jon - this one is searchable right down to street level and I think will have monthly data. So it's more refined.

@Lou - you're right up to a point. But I don't think the people behind this are trying to improve policing, not claiming to eliminate all crime.

And people + environment = crime level. Location does influence crime levels. Create crappy, lawless areas and crime flourishes.

Anonymous said...

The map is a bit of sop for the curtain twitching classes. Having said that if you have a limited policing budget you need to know whether you need more specialist resources for certain crimes in certain areas. If there is little car crime in cheam you would need less traffic cops, yes people cause commit crimes - obviously. But there are more people commiting more specific crimes in certain areas so those who know need the info.

This data though has little context, much like data on treatment at hostpitals.

A long winded way of saying I agree with Nick.

(I wonder who will pay to send kids with feckless parents to the best fee paying schools? The state? through taxes? So Brixton will have state funded schools that spend more on kids then they do now. Am I missing a subtle point?)

Tressilliana said...

It apparently costs more to keep a child in care than it would to send the child to Eton. I think this may be what Lou is getting at.

Plod said...

Wow, according to the good old Daily Mail, Breakspears Rd had the seventh highest rate of burglary in the country in December!

Lou Baker said...

@Tressilliana

That may or may not be true. Either way, investing in kids - particularly those who've been unfortunate enough to get off to a bad start in life - is the absolute right thing to do.

Looking at the pennies and cutting out frivolous spending is important, but not as important as giving every child a decent chance.

Anonymous said...

And this ladies and gents is why Brockley is so cheap.

D said...

The main problem with policing in london is that police on the streets seem to have to walk around in pairs holding each other's hands. Send them all out on patrol on their own with a radio and you immediately double their coverage and visibility for no extra cost.

Reg said...

Look not too far from where the apple falls. There is a bail hostel in that road.

Anonymous said...

One police man facing a group. No back up, no witnesses, one version of events. yes more coverage but much less effective.

TheOracle said...

Probably the Breakspears figure may be altered by the recent arrest and conviction of this rapscallian.

"Welder Llewelyn Vassell, 54, of Breakspears Road, Brockley, pleaded guilty to burglary and was sentenced at Croydon Crown Court on November 1 [2010]."

"He broke into a flat in Springfield Road, Penge, last July [2009] and was about to steal a rucksack when the tenant, of large build, awoke and grappled him into a bear hug to stop him escaping."

"He then called his flat-mate, an even larger man, who smashed a bottle over Vassell’s head and pinned him to the ground until police arrived."

"Vassell told police he was innocent and had been walking down the road past the flats when the occupants had just dragged him through the window."

"He was charged with burglary on August 31, appearing at Bromley magistrates court the same day."

"A Bromley police spokesperson said: “Vassell certainly picked the wrong flat to burgle and let’s just say he was very relieved when the police arrived. The victims acted in an extremely courageous and brave fashion in stopping Vassell escaping. They were very impressive.”

[Must post the newspaper dets.]

Tamsin said...

Elaine Morgan - an anthropologist and scriptwriter - has been advocating preventative investment in the early years of childhood since the 1970s. The logic is irrefutable but the outcomes impossible to measure and government after government tries various strategies to deal with the immediate problem of disaffected youth rather than spending money now for the future.

Controversially Elaine Morgan suggests that money for this investment could be found by lowering the school leaving age - saying that keeping young people off the streets and off the unemployment registers by effectively detaining them in school where they do not want to be is wasteful and dishonest - and demoralising for all concerned.

TheOracle said...

Bromley Times [onlin]. Penge burglar with a lot of bottle
Kate Nelson, Reporter
Wednesday, 10 November, 2010

Brockley Nick said...

Oracle, these figures are for December 2010 only.

Anonymous said...

It might be ok if you could get on the site,but its crashed at the moment through overuse.

Anonymous said...

It really is scare-mongering - though our landlord refuses to shell ot for bars on our back basement windows liek everyone else has. Shame they don't mention car break-ins on the train bridge. Not a week goes past where we don't walk past broken glass from someone who doesn't know the area and parked there.

Tressilliana said...

"Sorry, we couldn't find a policing area that matched your search. "

Just hope that's not the response I'd get if I dialled 999...

Anonymous said...

Well my niece who was a student at Greenwich suffered a home invasion in Brockley in late 2009.

Her and her flat mate were pottering around one Sunday Morning when there was a knock at the door, when two Masked Gunmen barged in tied them up on their beds and stuck guns in their faces screaming about where the money was.

The most frightening thing was that one was so high on drugs that the other had to tell him to calm down. They took their laptops and mobiles in the end, the TV was too big.

Luckily they persuaded them to leave their door open and they eventually managed to crawl out into the street.

It turned out that their Landlord used to collect the rent in person.

They even managed to identify a suspect, but the soft xxxx at the police station phoned their parents to tell them were coming around to inspect their rooms and funnily enough they never found any evidence.

Despair does not begin to cover my Sisters feelings over the police handling of the case. Luckily the Landlords felt so guilty they gave their money back and they were able to rent in Blackheath(Luckily the recession had really hit rents by then).

It was when she was picking up the child she was being an au pair to and they were waiting for a train at Lewisham and thought she caught him smirking at her, that she decided she was not staying in London when she graduated.

I just can't remember the exact street she used to live in, I know it was East of the Station and Breakspear does sound familiar.

Anonymous said...

If it was last summer it could have been Wickham Road. Saw about 7 police cars parked outside there one Sunday afternoon (but no blue flashing lights). Was wondering what that was all about!

TheOracle said...

Nick, this would suggest a 'spree' then, and not a normal 'most burgled' street.

thisisengland said...

This all about the coalitions attempt to localise everything, and, in the future, the election of local police chiefs.

If anyones worried why not join or start a neighbourhood watch scheme and support the neighbourhood policing teams? Or is that a bit too 'curtain-twitching' for the denizens of BC.

Brockley Nick said...

@ThisisEngland - I think certain elements within the Tories really believe in the potential for open data to empower communities and create "smarter government". So to that extent, I think their stated intentions are genuine.

Whether you think they are right or not is a different question.

thisisengland said...

Personally I'm for less government not more. But I realise that's a bit radical around here.

Brockley Nick said...

But is this more or less government?

thisisengland said...

By government I meant Westminster. Not that I want LC to get any bigger, quite the opposite. If that makes sense.

Anonymous said...

No, not really.

TheOracle said...

Actually the Mail got the figure wrong. There are “9” burglaries listed in Breakspears Road (and 1 vehicle crime) in December 2010. However, perhaps one should stress, these were ’on’ or ’near’ Breakspears Road. So which is it?

Lewisham College is both on and near Breakspears Road. The term "burglary" can also mean many things.

Anonymous said...

No, legal possibly but not necessarily safe. This is about a variety of things, setting up a business without the appropriate facilities, using the street as a parking lot for several vans and larger vehicles. They often park dangerously, and use space tha could actually be used for people parking with a bit more justification. Also makes coulgate st look rubbish. Sorry, its not the occasional van waiting for a pick up, it's not a fair and reasonable use of the area.

Anonymous said...

Wrong thread..... That last whinge was van related.

Anonymous said...

I was one of the unlucky 8 who got burgled in December - on Christmas day of all days. Apparently 4 other houses got hit that same day so that might explain the high figures!

JPM said...

Anonymous, sorry to hear of your loss.

I suspected that December was not perhaps the best time of year to compile these statistics as Johnny Gudfornothin is always busy at that time of the year.

Were your neighbours turned over by the same person(s), or is this unknown?

I can understand that you can't supply addresses, but can you supply date(s)?

Anonymous said...

All 5 burglaries were on Christmas Day on Breakspears road somewhere - we were told this by the police officers who came round afterwards.

No idea who the others were that day but we had to wait at the house for a good hour whilst they were "just down the road dealing with another incident"

I think the figures but Breakspears road in a really bad light as I find it generally a safe place to live. Just think that the prospect of empty semi detached houses on Christmas Day will bring in the scum from all over the place.

If only the police were proactive enough (and had more funding) to deploy extra officers on high risk days. All we got was community support who come round a week afterwards to offer us smart water to mark our property. Had to politely explain to them that anything worth marking had already been stolen!

Anonymous said...

Would the person talking about their neice please check the facts before reporting such an awful story - also sounds like they had a good landlord.

With 5 burglaries in one day it seems one burglar has put the road in the top ten in the country - league tables for criminals.

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