Crofton Park train services - the facts

Following Patrick's article about the future of Crofton Park trains, following the Thameslink construction, another BCer, David, did some further digging and has been able to confirm that Crofton Park services will return to a similar pattern to the one they enjoyed before works began. He says:

I emailed Thameslink and have just got a relatively detailed reply about exactly what will happen to the Crofton Park line. I thought it may be of interest for the site. Fundamentally trains to Blackfriars will resume in May, but they will not run the line through the Thameslink core (though presumably we will be able to change on to the other lines at Blackfriars so it is hardly a disaster.

Thameslink said:

Regarding evening and weekend services between Crofton Park and Sevenoaks: the Service Development Planner has confirmed that currently this is one of those services which falls into a gap between two operators. 

The existing weekday joint services between Sevenoaks and Kentish Town etc. will be maintained in the May 2012 timetable. In addition Southeastern will run some later services to and from Sevenoaks and Blackfriars. 

These are late evening services, which currently originate or terminate at Victoria because there is no access to Blackfriars due to engineering works. At weekends from May, Southeastern will revert their current London - Sevenoaks via Catford service to originate or terminate at Blackfriars instead of Victoria.

As these are purely Southeastern services, they do not appear as part of our Thameslink project publicity, which is concerned with the First Capital Connect Thameslink route. First Capital Connect certainly, and we believe Southeastern, have both looked at extending the through services to include weekends, but we were not able to make a commercially viable business case, and I suspect that Southeastern were not able to either.


patrick1971 said...

Thanks for this. Looks like there'll be no Victoria services at all; before all this work began there were direct services on Sundays. Not really a big deal as you can change at Denmark Hill (timings permitting) or Blackfriars.

Annoying, but also interesting, that there are not going to be through services to Kentish Town at weekends. I'm sure this was promised as part of the overall deal; the Sutton Thameslink trains would terminate at Blackfriars and Sevenoaks trains would go through to Luton and St Albans. This was going to be a result of moving the terminating platforms to the west side of Blackfriars station and the through platforms to the east.

So I thought it was going to be a practical manoeuvre rather than a business-case led one. Apparently not.

Lou Baker said...

It means you'll have to change at Blackfriars to go through to Kentish Town at weekends - but the change is easy and services will be frequent.

That will not be the case if you want to go to Victoria. From December there will only be two trains an hour from Denmark Hill to Victoria - and they currently don't connect well with Crofton Park trains. So you'll have a 25 min wait.

Ambivalent of Crofton Park said...

Its sounds like the best route to Victoria will be on the tube via Blackfriars or slow train from Brockley (or HOP).

As a Crofton park resident I'm, not actually too bothered but mainly because the trains are so infrequent that I only use that station when I really have to... What a waste of a trainline.

Give us more trains!

Anonymous said...

Agree that this contrary to all previous publications that suggested that Sutton Thameslink trains would terminate at Blackfriars and Sevenoaks trains would go through to Luton and St Albans.
Hope this is only the first phase in the new timetable as it is all going to change around until the service pattern is complete with the new London Bridge in 2018

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