Plan to make Coulgate Street one-way

Mark has been in touch to alert us about a public consultation currently underway, to make Coulgate Street one-way, to address road-safety problems that have led to fatal accidents in the area.

He writes:

Thought you might be interested in the plan I received from Lewisham Council regarding turning the Toad's Mouth / Degustation section of Coulgate Street into a one-way section with traffic no longer allowed in from the main road.

Reading your article regarding the station section of the road made me wonder how joined up the council thinking is on this location.

It occurs to me that the Degustation stretch could be part pedestrianised as proposed for the station part - perhaps more so as there are no residential addresses off this bit as far as i can tell, so perhaps ban parking and let the cafes spread out on to the street, leaving enough room for turning buses (if absolutely essential) and delivery access.

However... the real problem around here is over-parking and to lose coulgate street as a commuter parking area, which i would support, would have to go hand-in hand with a CPZ in the station locality in my opinion. I live nearby and know that once you move your car it is near impossible to get back even on the same street to park until late evening when the commuters have gone. Whilst I don't blame them for wanting to get to a zone 2 station and park for free, they do seriously clog the area now we have the overground and probaly contribute nothing to the local economy either.

So with that big proviso, the opportunity seems to exist to extend the part pedestrianisation to the whole length of coulgate street and raise the roadway to pavement level etc. having a bit of 'street frontage' onto the main road for cafe seating may help draw people into the shops nearer the station as well.
However reading the Lewisham letter i suspect all they have in mind is more coloured patches on the road (probably painted into the depths of the potholes) and lots of bollards and signs!

The consultation letter is below:



37 comments:

Anonymous said...

A blind Council that does not care to see the needs of the area.

Very sad

Ed said...

What a useless comment! Why? What are you talking about?

As Mark suggests we need some joined up thinking here. I use that turn and always worry about vehicles crashing into me from behind and know of several accidents there.

I'd agree with this solution if tied into a pedestrianised, CPZ, master plan for the whole 'village' area...

This might make the Foxberry/barge junction more dangerous.

Cars crossing over from the road opposite seems particulalry dangerous.

Trying to boil this down to basic principles do we want car activity in this area to be restricted to residents, local businesses and station pick ups including Speedy?

Anonymous said...

For years the council has been lobbied re doing something about the junction of Tyrwhitt and Hillyfields Cresc., the scene of many an accident and an extremely hazardous place to cross the road. In the evening rush cars come screaming around the Crescent, often in the middle or wrong side of the road, going towards Ladywell. Emerging from Tyrwhitt is a game of blind mans bluff. We've tried to get the council to make this section, combined with Crescent Way, one-way.

Nothing has happened. We've asked for a convex mirror, or the reinstatement of the large SLOW that was once painted onto the road just before the junction. Nothing, nada, zero.

Mezzer said...

I completely agree with the Tyrwhitt and Hillyfields Cresc junction. Deadly.

I tend to avoid it now.

Headhunter said...

Yeah that junction is pretty hazardous. I often cross HF Crez with the dog to get to Hilly Fields for a walk and have almost been caught out by cars coming round the corner from Tyrwhitt as they rat run through the conservation area...

Anonymous said...

Its a shame it takes a few deaths before they take action on things like this. Brockley Cross probably wont get sorted until a granny gets run over by a removal van...

Peter Tooke said...

Go for the CPZ - we've just got one in Ladywell and though it's not quite in force yet, commuter parking problems have eased massively and life is WONDERFUL!

Anonymous said...

Re. Tyrwhitt/Hillyfields, yes something really does need to be done, but what's the solution given that this is a bus route? Once you do come up with the solution though (and I'm sure there is one), I recommend you get the new Councillors on board and consider using the Council's new e-petition facility - you should be able to get 500+ signatures supporting a scheme at that junction.

Ed said...

Thanks Peter; BX CPZ support seems to be slowly gaining momentum...

Anonymous said...

CPZs... a sad day indeed.

CPZ said...

CPZ will be sad for the commuters! We are waiting for it to be considered but I am not sure how to make it happen.

Car parking rarely results in old grannies being run over, so the reaction of the Council can take forever

Blue sky said...

I totally agree re Tyrwhitt/HF crescent and as I have posted elsewhere on this site, I have had email exchanges with the council about this. Actually it hasn't been deadly and that's the problem, ironically. Statistically there are more pressing traffic hotspots to address as there have not actually been many accidents at the Tyrwhitt junction - amazingly, as it appears lethal to me. It is a main entrance to the park and seems the perfect spot for a zebra crossing or at the very least, a mirror, but it really will take a death or serious injury for the council to act as until then, there are more dangerous spots (statistically) that will take the money. This is more or less what the council said to me anyway. The lady didn't seem to see anything wrong with this reactionary take on road safety.

Ed said...

Perhaps in some circumstances the principle of more danger more care operates. I think this is the thinking behind the removal of street furniture and railings *(e.g.Brixton); drivers are more careful when pedestrains are not protected...

Having seen a lady run down on the BX zebra crossing recently and had several near misses myself I hope that BX is sorted before we get our fatality.

Headhunter said...

Removal of the railings in Brixton and across London has been a bit of a nightmare for me as a cyclist. Railings offer the perfect place to chain a bike but now that they've been removed there's nothing. Councils haven't replaced them with racks or anything...

Safety Bikey said...

HH

although railings are convenience for locking a bike to - they are also a fatal menace to cyclists when they get trapped between them and vehicles . . .

Ramble66 said...

Back to Coulgate street.....

Love Marks idea of part pedestrianisation of the whole of Coulgate Street. Every time I go to the station I think about how good this area could look.

Anonymous said...

Yes ramble66 we all agree, but how do we get the Counmcil to listen??

Anonymous said...

Email your ward councillor. That's what they're paid for.

FoxberryMike said...

To me 'joined-up thinking' should involve having some overall masterplan for the local area, say from Brockley Cross at least as far as Harefield Road, which would look at all the issues and opportunities and allow targetting of the limited Council funds at progressive implementation of this vision.

What I sense at present is isolated schemes for Coulgate Street by the Station, another scheme for the Toad's Mouth end, another scheme for Brockley Cross - all very fragmented and potentially not building towards the best end result that could be achieved.

Perhaps we as the local community need to show greater ambition by taking the lead and producing some 'big picture' proposals for our small area as I am sure we all care about it more than anyone else.

bumbags said...

Coulgate St should be pedestrianised, and a CPZ should come in, with free zones outside the shops with a time limit- maybe an hour. Wake up people- we are becoming a car park!! Not only annoying residents, but also bringing extra traffic onto roads in the area.
If Ladywell has just got a CPZ a Brockley one is even more necessary, as all the ex-Ladywell parkers will end up here too. It is now becoming impossible to park on Upper Brockley Road. It's not only a commuter favourite, but there were eleven large vans between the Cross end and the Wickham Arms last night, taking up SO much space.
Grrrrr.

mr foxberry said...

Yes to CPZ.
Yes to pedestrianisation of Coulgate st (some or all).
Yes to sorting out Brockley X roundabout.

The one way street plan they are proposing seems like a relatively minor issue. A good idea if it's been proven that it will help road safety (terrible to have seen flowers on the lamppost outside the bookies for much of last year), but it's not going to do much for us in terms of 'public realm' improvements.

LadyWell said...

.....'Peter Tooke said...

Go for the CPZ - we've just got one in Ladywell and though it's not quite in force yet, commuter parking problems have eased massively and life is WONDERFUL!'

I can see how it has eased your life - but now it's just pushed it up to mine!

I'm still fuming that the council's 'consultation' put forth the idea of the whole area being considered for a CPZ, but then put it in street by street.

I have to put my bins out just so I can park on my street - and some Arsehole had the cheek to actually move it and park there!
Not sure what I can do now but ask he council to bring in our street to the zone.

Ed said...

@Ladywell. That 'Arsehole' simply removed an impediment on a public highway so that they might lawfully park their car. We have no legal right to reserve a parking space outside our homes in such a manner; such a right may be granted by the council on a temporary basis I understand. I recognise your frustration at not being able to park close to home however.

I think that we will eventually need CPZ in most streets due to the parking-shift issue. Provided that permit prices are acceptable (covering only costs) I see this as a good thing as it prioritises parking for those living and working in an area but allows for others access to limited parking opportunities preventing the scheme from adversely affecting non-local trade.

Headhunter said...

The only thing with CPZs is that from what I've heard, they start of fairly cheap but once in place, councils tend to start using them as a handy revenue generation point and jack up the cost year after year at inflation busting levels and once they're there, they're there to stay...

Bea said...

I would like to know what our ward councilors have to say about this seemingly "disjointed" thinking on traffic and streetscape.

Councilors - if you are reading this - could you drop a line and let us know?

I know that in the past Sue used to regularly update us but since the election (and her departure) there has been a deafening silence. (I know they are not obliged to post here but as a forum for information on Brockley it would be good if they could occasionally let us know what they are doing on our behalf).

clueless resident. said...

I guess I am just being lazy, but anyway, can someone tell me who are (new) ward councillors are and how to drop them an email?

Headhunter said...

Yeah I don't hear or see much from the new councillors, Sue and Darren frequently popped up on line. Don't even remember the new one's names...

TM said...

Go on the Lewisham Coucil website - they are on there somewhere.

Headhunter said...

Yeah I've seen them on the LBC website but never heard anything from them. So far they've just been faces on a website.

Ed said...

They must be out of touch if they are unaware of the scope and influence of the mighty BC!

Anonymous said...

I agree with FoxberryMike about the masterplan.

However who is going to do it?

Any unban archtect up for the job?

And then, how do you get the council to buy in when the struggle to change a one way road

Anonymous said...

The only thing with CPZs is that from what I've heard, they start of fairly cheap but once in place, councils tend to start using them as a handy revenue generation point and jack up the cost year after year at inflation busting levels and once they're there, they're there to stay...

Headhunter, you are of course quite right.

However, I am coming round to the CPZ idea. I'd rather pay 100 (perhaps) for a residents' parking zone that alleviates parking problems than have this constant irritation of people using our area as a massive car park and contirbuting nothing to it. Furthermore, at some point, one has to start thinking - errr why am I paying through the nose on my mortgage or rent and effectively subsidising people who live way out of London and drive in?

And this from someone who fundamentally hates the idea of paying for parking(!)

council get it wrong agian said...

I think the council's plans will massacre the streetscape in coulgate street with signs for the bike contralow, painting over the road etc etc. Just the opposite of what we are all trying to achieve. There must be another way of making this area safer. Howabot moving the traffic lights outside of wetherspoons to the corner with Harefield?

Anonymous said...

before anyone else says it - I mispelt 'again' - unless I was being ironic

StuartX said...

Is this the first phase of a complete Coulgate Street pedestrian friendly scheme we have all been pushing for and the cabinet agreed to investigate? Is this really going to do anything for the speed of traffic hurtling past the Toads Mouth towards the Barge? Is this going to help buses turning right from Harefield? Is this traditional consultation technique going to to encourage a jointly agreed strategy with local groups? NO to all! This seems another disjointed Lewisham Highways initiative with minimum of engagement and consideration of alternatives and impacts. They could, for example, consider a mini-roundabout at this junction where everyone has to give way to traffic from the right. This would help buses and slow traffic right down along main Brockley Road and through the shopping area.....

Brockley Time Wasters said...

To Mr Bishop from the Council Website

"The Council and our employees

All Council employees have a key role in helping to make Lewisham a great place to live, work and learn. This can be achieved if employees know what is expected of them and what they can expect from the Council.
What the Council expects from its employees
Putting the public first

We expect employees to work hard to provide services which respond to community needs and views as well as providing a fair, courteous and responsive service whilst getting things done efficiently, making the best use of resources and acting as ambassadors for the Council.
Aiming for excellence

This means all employees continuing to deliver services effectively while using individual and team energy and talents to focus on suggestions and solutions for service improvements.
A flexible approach

We expect our employees to view change positively as offering challenges and opportunities for learning, development and advancement. Employees should expect their jobs - including the way they work and where they are located - to change on a regular basis.
Acting with integrity

The public expect the highest standards of conduct from all local government employees. "

Start f###ing listen to what the community wants, and stop drawing a salary for wasting time and resource.

Anonymous said...

Sigh.... How about writing a letter asking for opinions or local assemblies? Oh, they're doing that. How about sending your specific concern to your elected representative? Or is wailing "it's not fair! I hate you!" like a petulant teenager a more effective strategy?

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